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To: NYer
That still is far short of any justification for usage of the word "science" in regards to the Lanciano materials.

There has been no confirmation whatsoever, with the initial info coming from conditions which can be termed "hinky".

As far as the Shroud info goes --- if the one Shroud which has remained is what it is purported by some to be, from among a few or more which once existed and were all claimed to be the burial shroud of Christ, then by default that would prove that all but the one were and had been frauds --- all along.

That aspect additionally supports some of my own own contentions which I presented to you in regards to there having long been frauds and pretenders among that which looked upon as "relic".

Meanwhile, if all you have to say is along the lines of what you just did -- then spare me any further of that sort of pathetic noise. You had been saying "science", which is supposed to stand as irrefutable fact -- and was the way which you had presented it.

But now, the tune has suddenly changed and has included unstated but possibly intended to be implied accusation(?) if so -- the you can go stuff that accusation.

I can't stand that sort of cop-out response (with a side of insult?) not when there are multiple issues at hand...

45 posted on 03/28/2015 4:38:56 AM PDT by BlueDragon (the weather is always goldilocks perfect, on freeper island)
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To: BlueDragon
You had been saying "science", which is supposed to stand as irrefutable fact -- and was the way which you had presented it.

Dear friend, you are not new to FR. Over the years, there have been multiple postings on Eucharistic Miracles. Many of these occurred long before the development of scientific means for testing. In more recent times, some of these have been subjected to scientific research to either confirm or negate the article. The earliest one dates as far back as the Dessert Fathers.

In more contemporary times, there was a Eucharistic Miracle in Buenos Aires.

On October 5, 1999, in the presence of the Cardinal’s representatives, Dr. Castanon took a sample of the bloody fragment and sent it to New York for analysis. Since he did not wish to prejudice the study, he purposely did not inform the team of scientists of its provenance. One of these scientists was Dr. Frederic Zugiba, the well-known cardiologist and forensic pathologist. He determined that the analyzed substance was real flesh and blood containing human DNA. Zugiba testified that, “the analyzed material is a fragment of the heart muscle found in the wall of the left ventricle close to the valves. This muscle is responsible for the contraction of the heart. It should be borne in mind that the left cardiac ventricle pumps blood to all parts of the body. The heart muscle is in an inflammatory condition and contains a large number of white blood cells. This indicates that the heart was alive at the time the sample was taken. It is my contention that the heart was alive, since white blood cells die outside a living organism. They require a living organism to sustain them. Thus, their presence indicates that the heart was alive when the sample was taken. What is more, these white blood cells had penetrated the tissue, which further indicates that the heart had been under severe stress, as if the owner had been beaten severely about the chest.” source

Faith, of course, should not be based on miracles alone. God, though, recognizes our weakened nature and occasionally provides such a miracle to grab our attention. Take, for example, Dr. Eben Alexander. He is a neurosurgeon who did not believe in the afterlife or the existence of souls. All that changed one night when he was stricken with an illness that few survive. You can read the account here.

I can't stand that sort of cop-out response (with a side of insult?) not when there are multiple issues at hand...

No insult .. simply acknowledging reality. Some people believe on faith; others require scientific facts and, even then, still doubt. That is human nature.

Wishing you a Blessed Palm Sunday.

49 posted on 03/28/2015 1:44:30 PM PDT by NYer (Without justice - what else is the State but a great band of robbers? - St. Augustine)
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