Oh?
In 1950, the Catholic Church finally put to rest...
... there's no hurry.
Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
Fatima, although probably very true and authentic, is not a dogma of the Catholic church...
On the other hand, if Christ can call Moses and Elias to appear on Earth, along with numerous angelic apparitions, He can certainly send His mother to Earth to deliver a message....not real hard I'd say...
If you think the Catholic Church started earlier then that they had a whole lot more then that.
"The word pope derives from Greek πάππας meaning "Father". In the early centuries of Christianity, this title was applied, especially in the east, to all bishops and other senior clergy" Find here.
A simple search and study on the history of the title pope shows that in the early church many were called popes. Trying to establish some sort of "lineage" is ridiculous. Even the Catholic Church admits such.
The title pope, once used with far greater latitude (see below, section V), is at present employed solely to denote the Bishop of Rome, who, in virtue of his position as successor of St. Peter, is the chief pastor of the whole Church, the Vicar of Christ upon earth. [Catholic Encyclopedia]
You hadn't heard that Jesus took on Himself our sins?
1 Peter 2:24 "He himself bore our sins" in his body on the cross, so that we might die to sins and live for righteousness; "by his wounds you have been healed."
Whose sins did Mary take on that she should die?
God can, of course, do anything that He wants to do. In this case, however, He chose to use the Catholic church as His messenger. The Holy spirit inspired the early Catholics and thus they became His servants. They are no more special than anyone else, just happen to be His chosen group for that task.
As for your second question, there were no gospels, as such, before there were catholics. St Peter and the rest of the Apostles became known as Catholic and it was that group that wrote, transcribed, copied, edited, etc etc etc what we know as new testament scripture. Before the Apostles there were no Gospels and the Apostles were the first Catholics...
When was it ever necessary to actually have Scriptural support for these traditions? If it was, then we would see texts being infallibly defined as supporting them, but which is almost non-existent.
But thus having great liberty to abuse Scripture as a servant compelled to support Rome, they can resort to asserting that texts such as "enter thou into the joy of thy lord" (Mt. 25:21) means to experience purgatory, with its in the life beyond through fire and torments or 'purifying' punishments.” (INDULGENTIARUM DOCTRINA; cp. 1. 1967)
But to die in Christ is to be with the Lord.
And he said unto Jesus, Lord, remember me when thou comest into thy kingdom. And Jesus said unto him, Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise. (Luke 23:42-43)
And they stoned Stephen, calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit. (Acts 7:59)
Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: (For we walk by faith, not by sight:) We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. (2 Corinthians 5:6-8)
But if I live in the flesh, this is the fruit of my labour: yet what I shall choose I wot not. For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better: (Philippians 1:22-23)
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. (1 Thessalonians 4:17)
You may have missed the point of my jab:
The sudden embrace of scripture, that is normally dismissed.
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He didn't??? That is news to me. I thought he did. Are you privy to information that the rest of us are not? I am pretty sure he died.
As for the "gospel" and your erroneous comment that there was no gospel before there were catholics (I noticed you slipped in the lower case "c"), I wonder how it was that Abraham and other Old Testament saints were saved without believing the gospel? Are you familiar with the prophet Isaiah? See if you can identify the "gospel" (the good news) in this verse:
But...just in case you are making the same mistake I see many RCs make over the word "gospel" insisting the word only means the story of Jesus Christ and His teachings as written in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, even that is NOT something Roman Catholics today can claim is all theirs. God used "holy men" who were carried along by the Holy Spirit to write the inspired words they did and man can lay NO claim or credit for that. It is ALL a gift from God. RCs claiming credit for the gospel are like the rooster thinking his crowing was what caused the sun to rise.
And did so because He had taken out sins upon Himself. Now they have to show what sin Mary died for. Her own or did she also take on the sins of others?
They did NOT appear on earth. They were in the clouds. And the apostles were NOT allowed to talk to them but were told to listen to Jesus.
Yep. My orginal post was essentially, whether Mary died or not. If she WAS coenceived without sin (and I don't believe for a second that she was) but if she was, would she be subject to death? Decisions, decisions. 😄
You are looking into the future, not at the moment for which the questions were asked. Satan was influencing Peter when he thought he was smarter than Jehovah Jesus Christ.
Which has nothing to do with anything.
bb is correct.
Nobody is pushing denominationalism except the RC's.
The rest of us are encouraging people to come to know CHRIST, not a system of religious works.
Nothing needs to be remembered, as they can be SEEN on the pages of FR!
Pope Francis vs the Evil Popes
Indeed you do!
Let's try some easy math:
There are approximately 1.2 billion Catholics world wide;
If merely 1% of them 'ask' Mary for help just once each day;
that means that 12 million separate prayers are headed Mary's direction every day.
Given that there are 86,400 seconds per day... (24 hours times 60 minutes times 60 seconds)
...that means that Mary has to handle approximately 139 'requests' per second!
Purty good fer someone NOT in the GODhood or exhibiting GODly powers!
I also think you can still, if you have the good will, reset the rudeness counter to zero, so to speak.
Duplicity ? I think not. Your posts:
I think differently than you. Why are you acting like a jerkwad by not responding to the easy and plain question posed originally before you began twisting it and making the simple difficult? Why is that?
Don't understand at all what you are talking about regarding calling someone uninspired, which is not namecalling. What was the context or the post number in which I called ANYONE a name.
Phooey on such duplicity as you are exhibiting!
Oh?
In 1950, the Catholic Church finally put to rest...
... there's no hurry.
And the Church Lady gives it a high-five!
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