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To: boatbums
Baloney! Do you imagine poor God can’t do anything without your friends in Rome? Tell me, TC, did the “gospel” exist BEFORE there was the Roman Catholic church?

God can, of course, do anything that He wants to do. In this case, however, He chose to use the Catholic church as His messenger. The Holy spirit inspired the early Catholics and thus they became His servants. They are no more special than anyone else, just happen to be His chosen group for that task.

As for your second question, there were no gospels, as such, before there were catholics. St Peter and the rest of the Apostles became known as Catholic and it was that group that wrote, transcribed, copied, edited, etc etc etc what we know as new testament scripture. Before the Apostles there were no Gospels and the Apostles were the first Catholics...

6,685 posted on 01/21/2015 8:30:27 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl
I see, so it is your contention that everyone that was known as belonging to the catholic (meaning universal) church of Jesus Christ all became Roman Catholics and they are the ONLY true Christians? Tell me, how is it all the Apostles were Catholics when the word didn't even START being used to describe the universal church until the SECOND century? They are "Catholics" only because RCs have the authority to retrofit that designation to whatever people they want? Wouldn't there have been something in the writings of the Apostles SOMEWHERE if that was truly the case? It's kind of like RCs asserting Peter was the first "Pope" of Rome when there is no evidence that was the case.

As for the "gospel" and your erroneous comment that there was no gospel before there were catholics (I noticed you slipped in the lower case "c"), I wonder how it was that Abraham and other Old Testament saints were saved without believing the gospel? Are you familiar with the prophet Isaiah? See if you can identify the "gospel" (the good news) in this verse:

    But he was pierced for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the punishment that brought us peace was on him, and by his wounds we are healed. We all, like sheep, have gone astray, each of us has turned to our own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all. (Isa. 53:5,6)

But...just in case you are making the same mistake I see many RCs make over the word "gospel" insisting the word only means the story of Jesus Christ and His teachings as written in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John, even that is NOT something Roman Catholics today can claim is all theirs. God used "holy men" who were carried along by the Holy Spirit to write the inspired words they did and man can lay NO claim or credit for that. It is ALL a gift from God. RCs claiming credit for the gospel are like the rooster thinking his crowing was what caused the sun to rise.

6,689 posted on 01/21/2015 8:53:27 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: terycarl
God can, of course, do anything that He wants to do.

Likewise...

ROME can, of course, say anything that it wants to about what things GOD COULD have done.

And by saying so; makes it GOSPEL that they WERE done!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04854XqcfCY

6,707 posted on 01/22/2015 6:16:39 AM PST by Elsie ( Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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