How many times must the same straw man be burned?
Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone
The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.
How many times must the same straw man be burned?
Behold, God is my salvation; I will trust, and not be afraid: for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song; he also is become my salvation. Isaiah 12:2
The LORD is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower. Psalm 18:2
Isaiah 45:21-22
"Declare and set forth your case; Indeed, let them consult together Who has announced this from of old? Who has long since declared it? Is it not I, the LORD? And there is no other God besides Me, A righteous God and a Savior; There is none except Me. "Turn to Me and be saved, all the ends of the earth; For I am God, and there is no other.
Isaiah 52:10
The LORD has bared His holy arm In the sight of all the nations, That all the ends of the earth may see The salvation of our God.
More but this one should be well known to you:
Luke 1:47
And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.
Seems personal to me. We no longer huddle in fear below Mt Sinai, but rejoice on Mt Zion.
You apparently haven’t studied much about the meaning of the event, about Bible wines, nor about the character of Jesus as a missionary. Please open your Bible, read Chapter 2 of John, and show me where it says any place in the chapter that any wine was served at the feast prior to that made by Jesus, or that the wine he provided was not as having been freshly pressed, tasty, and other than unintoxicating.
If one were to write a book on the RF discussion threads, this would be the preface. Well done and most accurate.
Where have you been?
And there we have it. Every man his own pope. 1.2 billion personal interpretations of Catholicism.
It’s amazing how Catholics evade, side step, justify, rationalize, deflect, and otherwise qeasel out of and squimr away from obeying a clear concise command of Jesus, and yet in their pride and hubris brag on about how they *obey* Him by taking communion as if they are the only ones who do so.
It’s amazing how Catholics evade, side step, justify, rationalize, deflect, and otherwise weasel out of and squirm away from obeying a clear concise command of Jesus about not calling any religious leader by the title of *Father*, and yet in their pride and hubris brag on about how they *obey* Him by taking communion as if they are the only ones who do so.
You can spin all day. The Rock is Jesus. Never was and never will be on a fallible human. You go right ahead and put your trust in fallible man. True followers of Christ put their trust in Him alone. Those who God is truly calling will never put a fallible human between themselves and God.
Well done. It seems that for Catholics the need to put man between themselves and God is strong.
The duplicity is stunning isn't it?
Good luck with that when you stand alone before God at the judgement.
>>Not even Elijah the Prophet could claim God as his personal Savior.<<
Oh really? When Moses disobeyed did the rest of Israel get to cross into the promised land? Time and time again it's shown that it's the individual. Noah, Lot, and many others.
>>That Gentiles are grafted in.<<
Not as a group. It's the individuals upon personal belief.
I can assure you that if the spirit you listen to agrees with you 100% of the time it most definitely is NOT the Holy Spirit.
I edited it?? Surly you jest.
Is that the same spirit that agrees with you 100%?
“Yes, I agree that this is the overall sense of the chapter. But please realize that the body the Corinthians were eating unworthily could not be their own bodies as assembly of believers. The focus in the outlines passage is the literal body of Christ present at their meal.”
The verses about participating in the Lords Supper are included to support
Paul’s argument. Participating in a worthy way requires that a believer examine himself, including judging whether he is in a right relationship wth Christ and with the body of Christ. The focus of the few verses is decidedly not the “literal body” of Christ at their celebration. One, it never says it is a literal body present in the elements - either at the original Passover meal, nor in this passage. His literal body and blood sacrifice were sacrificed at the cross.
( It is a participation in His sacrifice. I believe a believer is sharing with Christ in this act in a spiritual sense, based on the text. The bread and wine do not literally become His physical body or blood. They remain unleavened bread and wine, but symbolize His sacrifice. We do this in memory.)
(If you had the physical, glorified Savior in your presence, you would not need to put the physical bread in a fake sunbeam, to imply glory. It would be unmistakable, as His glory blinded you.)
Having said that, the purpose of the entire inserted memory of Paul’s is to tell them to make sure they are right with the Lord whose Body was sacrificed and to be right by judging how they treat believers. That is the entire teaching and purpose.
“That the Catholic Church is the Mystical Body of Christ I don’t dispute.
I understand you believe this, as a catholic. I do not, based on Scripture.
best.
WOW! JUST WOW! Are you making your personal interpretation of Scripture?? Are other catholics participating in the reformation like you?
Dude...if you are really catholic you need to run, I mean, run to the nearest priest and do some serious confessing.
If you've been baptized into the RCC then you have to be subject to the pope. It's not your choice.
Pope Boniface VIII, Unam Sanctam, Nov. 18, 1302, ex cathedra: “With Faith urging us we are forced to believe and to hold the one, holy, Catholic Church and that, apostolic, and we firmly believe and simply confess this Church outside of which there is no salvation nor remission of sin… Furthermore, we declare, say, define, and proclaim to every human creature that they by absolute necessity for salvation are entirely subject to the Roman Pontiff.”
It is not possible, therefore, to be subject to the Roman Pontiff without receiving the Sacrament of Baptism, since the Church (and the Roman Pontiff) cannot exercise judgment (jurisdiction) over an unbaptized person (de fide, Trent). And since it is not possible to be subject to the Roman Pontiff without the Sacrament of Baptism, it is not possible to be saved without the Sacrament of Baptism, since every human creature must be subject to the Roman Pontiff for salvation (de fide, Boniface VIII).
http://www.onetruecatholicfaith.com/Roman-Catholic-Articles.php?id=602&title=7.+Subjection+to+the+Church%2FRoman+Pontiff&category=Outside+the+Catholic+Church+there+is+no+Salvation&page=1
Well, you can look at it this way....
Either they can claim that they’re never wrong
OR
Whatever a non-Catholic says, they can always tell them they’re wrong, that’s not what their church teaches.
Works out really well for them.
1 Corinthians 12:27 Now you are the body of Christ and individually members of it.
Romans 14:7-12 For none of us lives to himself, and none of us dies to himself. For if we live, we live to the Lord, and if we die, we die to the Lord. So then, whether we live or whether we die, we are the Lord's.
For to this end Christ died and lived again, that he might be Lord both of the dead and of the living.
Why do you pass judgment on your brother? Or you, why do you despise your brother?
For we will all stand before the judgment seat of God; for it is written,
“As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to me, and every tongue shall confess to God.”
So then each of us will give an account of himself to God.
If God is going to judge the church corporately, do they really want to be associated with that list of immoral, corrupt popes that are throughout their history?
Of the priests who have been molesting children?
Or liberal pro-abortion and pro-homosexual marriage politicians and those Catholics who vote for them?
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