Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

[ealgeone]

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.

[Elsie]

I have a general rule that I only repost the comments if they are worth actually reposting.

How courteous

[Elsie]

...the only identified ordained catholic priest on the board who represents the catholic church... is a mighty poor example of how most folks think that a PRIEST should act and speak.

[Elsie]

...I took Him literally ...

You viper!

[Elsie]

It is a weakness of mine, and I apologize for that.

You are not alone dear lady.

[Elsie]

M-ry is DEAD!

[Elsie]

I went thru your state a few days ago. It’s LOVELY here in the St. Pete area!

(Why do 10% of the drivers south of Nashville think they’re qualifying for the Daytona 500?)

Some INSANE drivers out there! Georgia especially!

[Elsie]

Christianity, on the other hand, was spread through the years by acts of love and consideration, by education and teaching the true meaning of the Scriptures.

Yeah; the native Americans who came up against the Padres in the future southwestern USA learned that quite well.

[Elsie]

Should we place limits on God?

ROME sure doesn't!

It makes all KINDS of outrageous non-Biblical claims about Him, His mother, her abilities, yada yada yada

[af_vet_1981]

(Jaroslav Pelikan, The Riddle of Roman Catholicism (New York: Abingdon Press, 1959), pp. 51-52)

Did you know that when you appealed to this Lutheran pastor by a book he authored in 1959 that he converted to Orthodoxy in 1998 ? For most of his life Pelikan was a Lutheran and was an ordained pastor in that tradition. In 1998, however, he and his wife Sylvia were received into the Orthodox Church in America at the Chapel of St. Vladimir's Orthodox Theological Seminary in Crestwood, New York. According to family members (with some mild dislike of the conversion), his conversion followed his meeting Pope John Paul II. Members of Pelikan's family remember him saying that he had not as much converted to Orthodoxy as "returned to it, peeling back the layers of my own belief to reveal the Orthodoxy that was always there."[3] Delighted with this turn of phrase, he used it (or close variants) several times among family and friends, including during a visit to St. Vladimir's for Divine Liturgy, the "last before his death."[4]

Nevertheless, Pelikan was still ecumenical in many ways. Not long before his own death, he praised John Paul II in an article in the New York Times when the pope died in 2005:

It will be a celebration of the legacy of Pope John Paul II and an answer to his prayers (and to those of all Christians, beginning with their Lord himself) if the Eastern and Western churches can produce the necessary mixture of charity and sincere effort to continue to work toward the time when they all may be one.[5]

[Elsie]

She gave up on him.

Why?

[verga]

He teaches a free will world of self-determined salvation.

You left out the part where he said that he would give up his Pastoral duties/ministry.

[Mrs. Don-o]

We are just north of the Unaka Mountains. My husband calls the street in front of our house the Unaka Speedway.

We are on a State Route a block away from the Interstate interchange that draws much more truck traffic than we ever wanted.

I still love Upper East Tennessee. Best part of the best state. In my humble opinion!

[Elsie]

your miniscule posts, like this one are meaningless because no one knows to what you are referring.

I have a general rule that I only repost the comments if they are worth actually reposting.

[GGpaX4DumpedTea]

Yah, that is a lot of balderpoopy...like the guy in the Vatican telling the UN they gotta do something about all this Global Warming crap...I suppose the Holy Spirit told him to get on the global warming bandwagon...as if God Himself can’t control it to His own liking...

And as far as multiple interpretations are concerned, and if only one is right, the others DID NOT get their answer from the Holy Spirit. And frankly, if the Catholic Church gets an answer, it is likely wrong, ‘cause I think the Roman Church hears from a lot of other voices, and maybe not the Holy Spirit’s voice most of the time.

Jesus said, my sheep know my voice...and I do know His voice...and He has given me discernment to know that other voices are not His.

[Elsie]

You left out the part where he said that he would give up his Pastoral duties/ministry.

Is THIS out of context?

[rwa265]

“No one comes to the Father except through me.”.....John 14:6

This is true. As stated in Paragraph 2674 of the Catechism: “Jesus, the only mediator, is the way of our prayer.”

[MamaB]

Have you been on 565 from I65 to HSV? We do not call it the HSV Speedway for nothing.

[af_vet_1981]

Why is it many FRoman Catholics seem so incapable of seeing others without placing them in tidy boxes with labels on the outside? Neither SR nor I "pledged" ourselves to the reformers. All we've been trying to do is show the reformers were NOT the originators of the doctrines of sola Scriptura and sola fide but that these were clearly taught IN scripture and were held by many of the very first church "fathers". How is it you can just ignore all the quotes and references that have been posted which proved that?

1. It seems to me there is hypocrisy in your first question as you use a label of your own choosing, "FRoman Catholics."
2. It seems to me the boat on which you have booked passage is anchored to the theology of the so-called reformers through Sola Fide and OSAS doctrines. You appealed to Martin Luther so to Luther you can go. You have no authority to teach me any doctrine. Should you choose to reveal the truth about the religious group with whom you assemble I will address their doctrine.
3. It seems to me your puzzlement at the inadequacy of the quotes and references to which you refer to effect a change in the reader shows they are insufficient to prove the case, perhaps even to yourself.

[af_vet_1981]

You have determined you will "rest" (pledge yourself?) in the Roman Catholic church. Fine, who's stopping you? Just as long as you acknowledge that there has been a development over time in your church's doctrines and many were unheard of in the early church and were NEVER taught by the Apostles. Can you do that? You presume your church has the "divine authority" to determine what is the truth - even in matters of faith and morals - and you place your faith in that view even in the face of contradicting or absent passages of Scripture. Again, you have that freedom - no one is going to burn you at the stake. Just know that you WILL be held accountable for the light you have been given and how you respond to it. You will not be able to deny that - and neither will we. I'm cool with that, are you?

I suggest you address any real desire to understand Catholic doctrine to Mrs. Don-O. I really think she can help you, if you will allow her. You need not be Catholic to meet us in the kingdom of heaven.

[ealgeone]

Left out a step....?..the pope said none come to Jesus except through Mary.