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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; blessedvirginmary; catholic; mary; mystery; mysterybabylon; prayer; rcinventions; vanities; vanity; worship
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To: ealgeone
Catholics, on the other hand, realize that the Holy Spirit speaks mainly through the Catholic church and thus, they all get the same CORRECT answer......see how easy it is???

And reading just this board and catholic comments shows how incorrect your statement is! LOL!!!

3,681 posted on 12/29/2014 1:58:48 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: verga

LOL not so wordy now huh?

Just typical ad homnohymms

Thanks for posting such good examples!

Don’t read my tagline...


3,682 posted on 12/29/2014 2:05:07 PM PST by Syncro (Searching for a sense of humor in posters....Some have none! :>)
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To: ealgeone

I understand exactly what he is saying, prots keep posting these false dichotomies. It is you all that need to realize your errors.


3,683 posted on 12/29/2014 2:07:48 PM PST by verga
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To: ealgeone
Hay if anyone doesn't kowtow to the Catholic narrative, they are narrow minded bigots.

Reminds me of Edith Ann in the giant chair giving everyone a raspberry...LOL

3,684 posted on 12/29/2014 2:11:30 PM PST by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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To: verga; Arthur McGowan
I understand exactly what he is saying, prots keep posting these false dichotomies. It is you all that need to realize your errors.

Nope....the only identified ordained catholic priest on the board who represents the catholic church said: The entire Gospel of John uses a system of symbols. Each action of Jesus--feeding the multitude, turning water into wine, being sacrificed in the manner of the Passover Lamb, giving Mary to John as his mother--is used by John as a sign of a greater or spiritual reality.

The entire Gospel of John uses a system of symbols....his words....not mine.

The implications are huge.

3,685 posted on 12/29/2014 2:14:26 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone

Yes, many Edith Anns here.

They have changed the attributes of the humble handmaid of the Lord, Mary.

Why not hijack the Holy Spirit? What gall!


3,686 posted on 12/29/2014 2:15:00 PM PST by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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To: verga

“Thank you, BTW I inadvertently left your name off when I said that AMPU was a protestant that was capable of intelligent discussion. My apologies for that oversight.”

There are a number of people on this thread and others that go deeper than how they were “rotely” instructed. I try to be one.

There are a number of people who go beyond a repetition of the same arguments the centuries have seen. I try to be one.

There are a number of people who don’t see each other as enemies. I try to be one.

And of course, I fail at times.

In the end, I don’t care where people worship. I only care that they come to entrust themselves wholly to Christ alone for eternal life. He is capable of directing His own to where they should be worshiping.

Best.


3,687 posted on 12/29/2014 2:17:41 PM PST by aMorePerfectUnion ( "I didn't leave the Central Oligarchy Party. It left me." - Ronaldus Maximus)
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To: Syncro
terycarl: "what an extraordinarily perverse interpretation of that passage!!!" What a pesky God, imagine that not letting you bow down to a statue! Or worship a wafer!

I've never known anyone who bowed to a statue....perhaps honors the person that the statue represents, but not to the concrete form itself.

The Eucharist is, indeed, a different matter. I paid real close attention to the Biblical passage where Christ Himself said "THIS IS MY BODY" and I took Him literally as did ALL OF CHRISTIANITY before the revolution.

I figure that if it is indeed His Body, I probably should bow to it....so I do.

3,688 posted on 12/29/2014 2:22:16 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Syncro
I am sorry for the little dig. I truly am. I was just letting it spill over from repeated contacts with dear fellow FReepers who do not acknowledge any distinction between "honor" and "adoration," and seem uninterested in making a careful assessment of what other people are actually saying.

I guess you ended up bearing the brunt of my cumulative frustration with other people, not you, Syncro, personally.

My impatience gets the better of me. It is a weakness of mine, and I apologize for that.

3,689 posted on 12/29/2014 2:26:37 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (God's grace has been revealed, and has made salvation possible for the whole human race. (Titus 2))
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To: GBA
To me and my thinking, any reverence given to Mary is also given to the Holy Trinity at the same time, since she received all from God and is merely reflecting His Light and not an actual source. He is the source and all Glory goes to Him.

That is precisely correct.

As you continue your faith journey remember only one thing about Catholicism if you forget the rest: We are taught, "Jesus isn't the most important thing. He is everything." And that's not mistyped.

That is authentic Catholic dogma, despite what others maintain.

I will pray for you tomorrow during my daily prayers.

Merry Christmas!

3,690 posted on 12/29/2014 2:30:05 PM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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To: Syncro
The humble are glorious in Heaven.

At great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.” And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
Mary is the Queen of Heaven because she is the Queen Mother, or mother of the King of the eternal, redeemed Davidic Kingdom, as recorded in the Bible.
3,691 posted on 12/29/2014 2:30:47 PM PST by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: caww
I may have expressed this inadequately. My point here is that there is a range of meanings possible for such a simple gesture as a kiss. It could mean

It has never, in your experience or in mine, meant exclusively "adoration," not even in church.

To insist on interpreting it as "adoration" or even "idolatry" when it has been explained to you that it was not, leaves you without a proper understanding and damages communication.

That is why I must continue trying to give a more accurate understanding --- in the hope that perhaps somebody out there wants to understand.

3,692 posted on 12/29/2014 2:41:20 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (God's grace has been revealed, and has made salvation possible for the whole human race. (Titus 2))
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To: Mrs. Don-o

No problem Mrs. Don-o, no offence taken.

I imagine there were others on the thread that wanted to read what you writ to me.

Happy New Year!


3,693 posted on 12/29/2014 2:44:56 PM PST by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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To: Syncro
I am glad we are at peace. Thank you for these gracious words.

A Happy "Fifth Day of Christmas"...

and a Happy New Year to you, too!

3,694 posted on 12/29/2014 2:50:05 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (God's grace has been revealed, and has made salvation possible for the whole human race. (Titus 2))
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To: Elsie
A happy "Fifth Day of Christmas" and a Happy New Year to you, Elsie!

Tagline

3,695 posted on 12/29/2014 2:53:11 PM PST by Mrs. Don-o (What does the LORD require of you, but to act justly, to love tenderly, to walk humbly with your God)
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To: Syncro
then why isn't that done, instead of parading it (the little tiny wafer which is supposed to contain the complete Jesus Christ) around in a sunburst so it can be worshiped? Doesn't the cracker substance that it actually is get stale?

Oh we do indeed consume the Body and Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Christ in the Eucharist. The Host is removed from the monstrance immediately after the ceremony or period of adoration designated and either consumed by the priest or returned to the Tabernacle.

3,696 posted on 12/29/2014 2:57:47 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: Mrs. Don-o

Thank you!

We were always at peace AFAIC.

Seeing it was your teaching spirit that caused you to address me the way you did earlier and a bit of mistaken idenity, I apologize for my “condescending” remark as it was an innocent little statement of yours to help out.

Sentence structure and maudlinness, sorry lol


3,697 posted on 12/29/2014 2:59:40 PM PST by Syncro (Jesus Christ: The ONLY mediator between God and man)
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To: caww
Christians worship the risen Jesus Christ....who is ‘alive’ HE’s no longer in a manger, or in Mary’s arms, or on the cross, or buried...he's Alive!

and present BODILY in every Catholic church in the world....amazing, isn't it?...!!!!!

3,698 posted on 12/29/2014 3:02:30 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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To: FourtySeven
To me and my thinking, any reverence given to Mary is also given to the Holy Trinity at the same time, since she received all from God and is merely reflecting His Light and not an actual source. He is the source and all Glory goes to Him.

That is authentic Catholic dogma, despite what others maintain.

It may be catholic....but not Christian.

3,699 posted on 12/29/2014 3:13:47 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: caww
number doesnt justify anything.

fairly true, but it is more often that not indicative of something. Islam is spread through force and violence and thus loses most of its' importance. Christianity, on the other hand, was spread through the years by acts of love and consideration, by education and teaching the true meaning of the Scriptures.The Doctrines taught throughout the 2,015 year history of the Catholic church have been proven over and over to be true and infallible.Most Christians believe them, some have chosen to adapt their own interpretations to what the church teaches....they do so at their own peril and,of course, are responsible, along with those who led them astray, for their own fate.

3,700 posted on 12/29/2014 3:15:21 PM PST by terycarl (common sense prevails over all)
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