Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?

self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

[ealgeone]

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.

[terycarl]

Go to Yeshuah directly and not through His mom. He will understand and will answer you concerns. Ask Him.

I did, and He said, pay attention, I came to Earth, got together a bunch of Apostles, founded a church and assigned them to carry it to every place on the planet which they did. Then I gave you life and put you in a position where you could join My church and achieve Salvation through My Gift and My gift of the Eucharist. Listen to what they say because I have inspired them with the truth.

I did and He was right!

[editor-surveyor]

I am doing the work Yeshua commanded his own to do.

Rebuking vile heresies from the pagan catholic cult is high on the list.

“Catholic teachings” like all cults mix truth with their corrosive paganism to more easily infiltrate his assembly, but those that are led astray into it are already tares in most cases.

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[terycarl]

John 2:1 On the third day there was a wedding at Cana in Galilee, and the mother of Jesus was there. John 2:3 When the wine ran out, the mother of Jesus said to him, “They have no wine.” Acts 1:14 All these with one accord were devoting themselves to prayer, together with the women and Mary the mother of Jesus, and his brothers. Deal with it.

In case your own interpretation of the Bible didn't inform you......JESUS IS GOD...therefore Mary is the mother....oh well if you ever took a course in logic you'd be able to fill in the rest.

[CynicalBear]

>>submitting his judgments to its judgments as to Christ’s.<<

AKA "another Christ". No thanks.

>>But since the Bible must be interpreted by someone, the closest he can come to assenting to biblical teaching is assenting to his own fallible interpretation of it.<<

1 John 2:26 These things I did write to you concerning those leading you astray; 27 and you, the anointing that ye did receive from him, in you it doth remain, and ye have no need that any one may teach you, but as the same anointing doth teach you concerning all, and is true, and is not a lie, and even as was taught you, ye shall remain in him.

I don't need the deceit of the Catholic Church.

>>So the Protestant must rely on his own judgment above that of his church.<<

A lie from the Catholic Church

John 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever-- 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

The Catholic Church trying to take the place of he Holy Spirit is blasphemy.

[ealgeone]

protestants have never been able to explain ANYTHING to Catholics....not even why they are/became protestants!!

we are all Christians for the same reason, the question asked why are you a protestant???

I'm not a protestant.

I am a Christian.

How you refer to me after that is immaterial.

Still waiting on your answer regarding the immaculate conception....though I know you won't answer.

Been fun chatting.

Done with this conversation.

[caww]

...."Mary was so insignificant to the Christians alive at the time no one even cared enough to keep track of where she lived out her last days. Not the secular writers, not the religious writers, not that apostles, not anyone".....

.....however Jesus did put her in the care of John...."From that hour the disciple took her into his own household." John 19:26

I think it was intentional that the dciples likely didn't reveal where she was buried etc. My gosh had that been known, and with how catholics worship before skeltons they would have more than likely done this to her if they knew where to find her!

You know they pass these skulls and other sordid body parts from church to church and country to country....like a oddity in a carniville.

[terycarl]

The subject, as I joined the conversation in post 1266, is the “sacrifice conducted during a Roman Catholic Mass”. You apparently have replied mistakenly to a post of which you did not understand the subject matter.

I indeed knew the point of the post...the Mass is basically the Eucharist which is the Gift that Christ gave us of His Body and Blood...that is the Sacrifice of the Mass.

[CynicalBear]

He showed you scripture. Maybe you didn’t recognize it. That was not his “opinion”.

[CynicalBear]

Pagan rituals.

[annalex]

I am not imagining anything. Mary’s prayers to the Father are recorded verbatim. Luke 1:46-55.

So why would God resist her prayers? Second time I ask.

[annalex]

So, what happened at Cana?

[terycarl]

. If they died in faith, they go to the same place that all of Yehova’s elect go to wait until the last trump: “The Bosom of Abraham.” That portion of Hades reserved for the elect. Yes there is a heaven, but our ultimate dwelling place will be not heaven, but the New Jerusalem that Yeshua has prepared for us. The marriage supper of the Lamb will be in heaven, on the sea of fire and glass, before we return to Earth to rule with him for 1000 years.

WOW, I've never heard that weird interpretation before, guess that's why there are so many "denominations"

The portion of Hades reserved for the elect...well, that could be purgatory I guess, but the just will go to paradise......"Today you will be with Me in Paradise"

[terycarl]

Unless of course they have a fixtion on the catholics mary because she is female and they have none in their life for whatever reason, so they need to identiyt with one.....or those who need a mother figure...but even then...clinging to the skirt of a false idol will rob you have what Jesus has that’s far better...

Ahh, now I understand the basis of your various posts, I was under the mistaken impression that you could support some of your points of view....guess not.

[annalex]

Scriptures do not say it

Matter of fact, the Holy Scriptures do say.

η μητηρ του κυριου (Luke 1:43)
ωφθη δε αυτω αγγελος κυριου (Exodus 3:2)

[annalex]

All others have sinned.

That is your opinion. The original question was, does the Holy Catholic Church ever contradicts the Holy Scripture? You suggested the sinlessness of Mary. But the contraiction that we see is with your ideas, not with the text of the Scripture as written.

[annalex]

I am very certain; it is through the prayers of Mary that my faith is growing daily.

[ADSUM]

Sorry, I forgot to include you on post 1591.

This explains the infallibility of the Catholic Church on matters of Faith. We have faith in Christ's church that it will only present the Truth (and God will prevent false teachings of God's message.)

This was written by a former atheist.

And so a Catholic can know divine revelation, as distinct from human opinion, by looking to the Church, which speaks with Christ’s voice and cannot lie. For a Protestant, only the Bible itself contains God’s infallibly inspired words, so he desires to assent to that. But since the Bible must be interpreted by someone, the closest he can come to assenting to biblical teaching is assenting to his own fallible interpretation of it. And assenting to yourself is no assent at all.

Your focus seems to be on what you believe and do not understand RC point of view and their faith. You make judgments based on your opinion.

I wish you well and God's peace, but you could consider the Catholic Church if you are seeking the Truth.

[vladimir998]

“See here”

Nothing there shows Merriam Webster is wrong. I had assumed from the beginning this would be the tact you were going to take. It is a false approach.

The NT is Greek, not Hebrew. Different words are used for the Church leadership than are used in the Hebrew OT: overseers (episcopoi) and elders (presbyteroi), deacons (diakonoi). Essentially in the NT the High Priest is Jesus Christ (Heb. 3:1), the ministerial priests are Christ’s ordained ministers of the gospel (Rom. 15:16), and the universal priests are the entire Christian people (1 Peter. 2:5, 9).

Romans 15:16 English Standard Version (ESV)

16 to be a minister of Christ Jesus to the Gentiles in the ******priestly service of the gospel of God,******* so that the offering of the Gentiles may be acceptable, sanctified by the Holy Spirit.

[terycarl]

>>The Catholics knew, honored and loved Mary for about 1,600 years before there was even 1 protestant.<< Mary was so insignificant to the Christians alive at the time no one even cared enough to keep track of where she lived out her last days. Not the secular writers, not the religious writers, not that apostles, not anyone. The Catholic Church itself acknowledges the fact that no one knows. Catholics should take a hint.

the location/residence of Mary is irrelevant..we know who she is and honor her for being who she is...where she was at that time means nothing to anyone......we do, however, know where she is now, don't we??

[annalex]

The Church does not follow uncritically the Old testament prohibitions. It was in fact the first act of the Catholic Church to abolish the a number of restrictions of the Mosaic Law (Acts 15).

The Blood of Christ is of course, physically bloodless precisely not to offend the early Christians, and besides it is commanded by Him that we drink it.

Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. (John 6:54-55, your verse numbering is probably off by one)

It is also true that the Holy Eucharist feeds the spirit and not the flesh, just like Jesus explains.