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Is Prayer/Veneration/Worship to Mary Biblical?
self | 12-14-14 | ealgeone

Posted on 12/14/2014 11:57:21 AM PST by ealgeone

The reason for this article is to determine if the worship/veneration given to Mary by the catholic church is justified from a Biblical perspective. This will be evaluated using the Biblical standard and not man’s standard.


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; Theology
KEYWORDS: bible; blessedvirginmary; catholic; mary; mystery; mysterybabylon; prayer; rcinventions; vanities; vanity; worship
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To: metmom; terycarl
It is becoming clearer and clearer that catholics are well versed in what they hear at mass or what service they attend, but are not well versed with the Word.

Do catholics study the Word on their own or just get everything from the priest?

1,581 posted on 12/17/2014 7:09:38 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: Grateful2God
>>God hates?! I don't think so...<<

Reveltion 2:6 But this thou hast, that thou hatest the deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.

1,582 posted on 12/17/2014 7:10:11 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: terycarl
protestants have never been able to explain ANYTHING to Catholics....not even why they are/became protestants!!

Sure we have.

I haven't seen one non-Catholic not explain why they became *Protestants*.

The problem isn't in the former Catholics doing the telling. The problem is in current practicing Catholics being able to grasp what is being told them. They simply do not believe what the former Catholics have told them and say as much, with the usual accusation being that their conversion has to do with immorality.

IOW, Catholics simply choose not to believe former Catholics.

1,583 posted on 12/17/2014 7:11:37 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: Elsie
I've always wondered: Why didn't the apostles cut some meat off of Jesus, as He hung there, and eat it?

I can believe that you really think that way because if you were a Catholic, you would enjoy the gift of the Holy Eucharist wherein Christ gave us His Body and blood, under the appearance of bread and wine...But you probably don't believe that.....sad.

1,584 posted on 12/17/2014 7:12:44 PM PST by terycarl ( common sense prevails over all)
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To: ADSUM

I had it happen tome plenty of times until I figured out that it must have been the Greek that had been posted in HTML.

So I either format the entire thing, or just (if possible) eliminate the Greek word.

Kind of goes for other languages and odd characters as well.


1,585 posted on 12/17/2014 7:14:17 PM PST by metmom (...fixing our eyes on Jesus, the Author and Perfecter of our faith...)
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To: terycarl

When I hear prayers to Mary and saints, I know what I hear. I may have trouble with my vision but my hearing is excellent. Even the experts say so.


1,586 posted on 12/17/2014 7:14:35 PM PST by MamaB
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To: terycarl
HEY, the Catholics had Him first!! In fact we had Him for sixteen centuries before you even knew who He was. If not for the Bible that the Catholics, inspired by the Spirit, wrote, edited, Copied (by hand) and preserved through the ages, you still wouldn't know who He was...

It is difficult tonight to discern whether you are truly ignorant of history or are just a grade more megalomaniacal and braggadocio than usual. One day, terycarl, you and I both will come face to face with the Truth. Please examine your over-confidence in your current religion before then.
1,587 posted on 12/17/2014 7:20:21 PM PST by Resettozero
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To: CynicalBear

“Ah yes!!! Old Merriam-Webster! Now there is someone we can rely on to be consistent throughout the ages.”

If you can show that the dictionary is wrong, feel free to do so.


1,588 posted on 12/17/2014 7:21:24 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
>>If you can show that the dictionary is wrong, feel free to do so.<<

See here

1,589 posted on 12/17/2014 7:31:50 PM PST by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus)
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To: CynicalBear; metmom; terycarl; NYer; Salvation

Your statement that I haven’t read your post is not truthful, just your opinion.

Just like your opinions on Catholic teachings. They are just your opinions.

I will excerpt a summary from a book by a former atheist and Protestant Devin Rose: The Protestant’s Dilemma

Because Catholicism is true,

Christians can know divine revelation, as distinct from mere human opinion, because God protects it from authoritatively teaching anything that is false.

How is the Catholic’s judgment different from a Protestant’s, if at all? The difference lies in the conclusion, or finishing point, of the inquiry they make. Whereas the Protestant can ultimately submit only to his own judgment, which he knows to be fallible, the Catholic can confidently render total assent to the proclamations of the visible Church that Christ established and guides, submitting his judgments to its judgments as to Christ’s.

And so a Catholic can know divine revelation, as distinct from human opinion, by looking to the Church, which speaks with Christ’s voice and cannot lie. For a Protestant, only the Bible itself contains God’s infallibly inspired words, so he desires to assent to that. But since the Bible must be interpreted by someone, the closest he can come to assenting to biblical teaching is assenting to his own fallible interpretation of it. And assenting to yourself is no assent at all.

The Protestant’s Dilemma

If Protestantism is true, all are fallible. So the Protestant must rely on his own judgment above that of his church. And the orthodoxy of the church itself is judged against his interpretation of the Bible. Thus is becomes impossible to distinguish between what divine revelation actually is versus what a fallible human being thinks it is. This fact makes the Catholic Church, philosophically speaking, preferable to Protestantism, since God’s truth can be known—and known with certainty.


1,591 posted on 12/17/2014 7:39:40 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: metmom
And we're not talking mere *imperfection*. The sins manifest in Catholicism amongst it's hierarchy are abominable, NOT *imperfection*.

Oh really, Christ founded His church, promised that He would be with her until the end of time and then allowed her to fall into apostasy for 1,600 years until protestants came along to save the day.......O.K. I guess.Your condemnation kind of goes against the admonition against doing so unless you are willing to be judged by the same standards.....

going off on your own, deciding on your own what the Biblical truth is, making excuses for your own denials of what the real truth is, inventing your own reality doesn't seem real biblical to me...

1,592 posted on 12/17/2014 7:42:53 PM PST by terycarl ( common sense prevails over all)
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To: ADSUM

The Protestant’s Dilemma

If Protestantism is true, all are fallible. So the Protestant must rely on his own judgment above that of his church. And the orthodoxy of the church itself is judged against his interpretation of the Bible. Thus is becomes impossible to distinguish between what divine revelation actually is versus what a fallible human being thinks it is. This fact makes the Catholic Church, philosophically speaking, preferable to Protestantism, since God’s truth can be known—and known with certainty.


More proof that Catholics DO NOT READ THE BIBLE.

1Jn 2:27 But you have received the Holy Spirit, and He lives within you, so you don’t need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you everything you need to know, and what He teaches is true—it is not a lie. So just as He has taught you, remain in fellowship with Christ.


1,593 posted on 12/17/2014 7:44:50 PM PST by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: metmom

I have avoided learning the how to.

Again, thanks for the information.


1,594 posted on 12/17/2014 7:46:23 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: terycarl

This isn’t about being a protestant or catholic...it’s about catholic teaching that is misleading people and endangering them by their practices and behavior before idols and various other images.


1,595 posted on 12/17/2014 7:46:29 PM PST by caww
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To: ealgeone
The evidence we do have in the Word completely goes against the immaculate conception.

no it doesn't

1,596 posted on 12/17/2014 7:46:31 PM PST by terycarl ( common sense prevails over all)
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To: terycarl
>The evidence we do have in the Word completely goes against the immaculate conception.<

no it doesn't

It's apparent you're not interested in discussion....just arguing for arguing sakes.

Have a good evening.

I hope you find the Truth.

1,597 posted on 12/17/2014 7:49:29 PM PST by ealgeone
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To: ealgeone
protestants have never been able to explain ANYTHING to Catholics....not even why they are/became protestants!! Why am I a Christian?

we are all Christians for the same reason, the question asked why are you a protestant???

1,598 posted on 12/17/2014 7:50:55 PM PST by terycarl ( common sense prevails over all)
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To: editor-surveyor

editor;

Perhaps you are doing the work of the devil.

See my post 1591 in which explains the difference between Catholic teachings and the opinions of non Catholics.


1,599 posted on 12/17/2014 7:52:05 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: PeterPrinciple

More proof that Catholics DO NOT READ THE BIBLE.

Expressing your fallible opinion.

Sorry if the truth hurts.


1,600 posted on 12/17/2014 7:54:43 PM PST by ADSUM
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