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To: ealgeone
Sorry, I forgot to include you on post 1591.

This explains the infallibility of the Catholic Church on matters of Faith. We have faith in Christ's church that it will only present the Truth (and God will prevent false teachings of God's message.)

This was written by a former atheist.

And so a Catholic can know divine revelation, as distinct from human opinion, by looking to the Church, which speaks with Christ’s voice and cannot lie. For a Protestant, only the Bible itself contains God’s infallibly inspired words, so he desires to assent to that. But since the Bible must be interpreted by someone, the closest he can come to assenting to biblical teaching is assenting to his own fallible interpretation of it. And assenting to yourself is no assent at all.

Your focus seems to be on what you believe and do not understand RC point of view and their faith. You make judgments based on your opinion.

I wish you well and God's peace, but you could consider the Catholic Church if you are seeking the Truth.

1,617 posted on 12/17/2014 8:27:18 PM PST by ADSUM
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To: ADSUM; EagleOne
This explains the infallibility of the Catholic Church on matters of Faith. We have faith in Christ's church that it will only present the Truth (and God will prevent false teachings of God's message.) This was written by a former atheist. And so a Catholic can know divine revelation, as distinct from human opinion, by looking to the Church, which speaks with Christ’s voice and cannot lie. For a Protestant, only the Bible itself contains God’s infallibly inspired words, so he desires to assent to that. But since the Bible must be interpreted by someone, the closest he can come to assenting to biblical teaching is assenting to his own fallible interpretation of it. And assenting to yourself is no assent at all. Your focus seems to be on what you believe and do not understand RC point of view and their faith. You make judgments based on your opinion.

That "atheist" needs to do a little more work on his logic skills!

He is contending that a Catholic can know divine revelation because men in the Catholic church read the Bible, interpreted it and say what it teaches. He ASSUMES this church speaks with "Christ's voice" and can never be in error because they are "infallible" - because they say they are.

But, a non-Catholic Christian - for we know that not all Christians are just Catholic OR Protestant - can go to that SAME Divinely-inspired, infallible Scripture and read the words from God and with the illumination of the indwelling Holy Spirit, be led into all truth. He is NOT assenting to himself, but to what God clearly teaches in his sacred word.

The Catholic relies on his priest to "get it right" and teach him, the non-Catholic relies on the Holy Spirit, going directly to the source. No "middleman" needed. This blarney about the Bible needing to be "interpreted" by someone only applies to the TRANSLATION of the Scripture's original language into the one the learner understands. With study and a earnest desire to learn, anyone can know the deep things of God. It doesn't have to be outsourced to someone who promises they are infallible.

The former atheist has been hoodwinked into handing off his faith to fallible men who convinced him they were smarter or more "holy" and he placed his trust in them instead of God. The Catholic church HAS erred, made mistakes, messed up, changed its doctrines and has had more than a few miserable examples of human "piety" as top leaders - if that is speaking with Christ's voice, then it's a pretty shaky foundation to base ones eternity on.

1,640 posted on 12/17/2014 9:00:16 PM PST by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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