Evangelicals Favorite Heresies

Prophecy News Watch ^ | November 21, 2014 | Tom Olago

[CynicalBear]

>>Do you believe Catholics have true professions of faith with the indwelling of the Holy Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit that the Jewish Apostles and Messiah spoke about orally and some wrote about ?<<

Certainly there are but they won't stay with the Catholic Church. The Holy Spirit will slowly open their eyes to the falsehoods taught in Catholicism.

[Resettozero]

Elsie has been too much an influence on me of late.

It was only a roundabout way of pinging you and not really a meaningful jab atcha.

[af_vet_1981]

Certainly there are but they won't stay with the Catholic Church. The Holy Spirit will slowly open their eyes to the falsehoods taught in Catholicism.

They do stay, and they do walk in the Spirit.

[af_vet_1981]

Many Roman Catholics have shown themselves to be true believers in the Lord Jesus Christ and remain in the Roman Catholic Church.

[Elsie]

He bobs; he weaves; he shakes off a jab - and another - and another.

OUCH!

One connected!

[CynicalBear]

>>They do stay, and they do walk in the Spirit.<<

Not if they partake in the pagan rituals and believe the pagan beliefs.

[af_vet_1981]

Not if they partake in the pagan rituals and believe the pagan beliefs.

That would probably tend toward an animosity for Catholics.

[Elsie]

That would probably tend toward an animosity for Catholics.

I am surely thankful; considering the coming holiday and all; that there is not any animosity for Protestants shown on FR.

[CynicalBear]

>>That would probably tend toward an animosity for Catholics.<<

Animosity? No way. Why do Catholics always attribute some sort of ill will to those who disagree? The only reason I can think of is because that's how they feel about others so they attribute those same feelings.

Actually I feel a deep sense of sadness for those who have been indoctrinated into the cult of Catholicism. I watch as the Catholic Church moves to join together with all other world religions and realize that the prophecy of a one world religion is being formed right before our eyes. Those who cling to that organization will rue the day.

[Resettozero]

Many Roman Catholics have shown themselves to be true believers in the Lord Jesus Christ and remain in the Roman Catholic Church.

Not for much longer. It is not possible to deceive permanently true believers (the Elect) in Jesus Christ as THE LORD and one and only Way to eternal life.

BTW, the manner by which you mangled my quote with your own conclusion is unappreciated.

[Resettozero]

One connected!

I know. And it's my jaw that's throbbing.

[af_vet_1981]

Animosity? No way. Why do Catholics always attribute some sort of ill will to those who disagree? The only reason I can think of is because that's how they feel about others so they attribute those same feelings.

Actually I feel a deep sense of sadness for those who have been indoctrinated into the cult of Catholicism. I watch as the Catholic Church moves to join together with all other world religions and realize that the prophecy of a one world religion is being formed right before our eyes. Those who cling to that organization will rue the day.

I submit you are not your own best judge. You can ask your Catholic friends what they think, and therein lies the rub. In any case we all have our cross to bear and Every way of a man is right in his own eyes: but the LORD pondereth the hearts.

The word "pagan" is not in the holy scriptures. For one Gentile to call other Gentiles' religious faith and practice "Gentile" is odd and redundant. I find Catholics are much closer to Jews than many Protestants, and some/many Catholics, realize.

[Resettozero]

I find Catholics are much closer to Jews than many Protestants, and some/many Catholics, realize.

I agree with your statement with one caveat:

The RCC leadership is much closer to the organized Judaism leaders at the time of Jesus' death, burial, and resurrection from the dead than are some/many groups of believers in Lord Jesus Christ.

[af_vet_1981]

Now there is a perfect example of going above what is written. First of all, it's been shown over and over in these threads that what was considered scripture was established long before there was a Catholic Church. Peter already considered Paul's writings scripture.

Second, it was God who preserved His word to us as He promised He would. For Catholics to try to take credit IS putting men over what is written. Catholics should keep in mind that God used Judas, Balaam's donkey, and many evil people to bring forth His will. He will also use the anti Christ during the tribulation. If He used the Catholic Church to bring His word forward it is no reflection on the correctness of the Catholic Church.

1. There is no table if contents in the Bible except by tradition. Peter did not mention which of Paul's writings he had in mind. 2 Peter, where it is written, was one if the NT books late to be universally accepted.
2. I find the argument the LORD Jesus Christ preserved the holy apostolic scriptures untenable except one admit God preserved the holy catholic apostolic church.

The words of the Lord are pure words: as silver tried in a furnace of earth, purified seven times. Thou shalt keep them, O Lord, thou shalt preserve them from this generation for ever.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.


Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true. And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written. Amen.


And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;

[CynicalBear]

>>I find the argument the LORD Jesus Christ preserved the holy apostolic scriptures untenable except one admit God preserved the holy catholic apostolic church.<<

I have no doubt that you believe that. Christ preserved Judas as an apostle until he fulfilled his purpose as well. The Catholic Church will be preserved until the events of Revelation 18.

[CynicalBear]

>>The word "pagan" is not in the holy scriptures. For one Gentile to call other Gentiles' religious faith and practice "Gentile" is odd and redundant.<<

I think the readers well understand when the term "pagan beliefs and practices" is used. The beliefs and practices of Pagans/Gentiles prior to conversion is well documented in scripture and secular writings. So your attempt to obfuscate is rather weak.

[Elsie]

For one Gentile to call other Gentiles' religious faith and practice "Gentile" is odd and redundant.

For MORMONs to call non-Mormons; even JEWS!; "Gentiles" is just CRAZY!

[af_vet_1981]

I think the readers well understand when the term "pagan beliefs and practices" is used. The beliefs and practices of Pagans/Gentiles prior to conversion is well documented in scripture and secular writings. So your attempt to obfuscate is rather weak.

Pagan = Gentile

http://www.biblepages.net/hg01.htm

Gentiles, pagans and heathen – what do those words really mean?

This article takes a closer look at the concepts “gentile”, “pagan” and “heathen”. Some people have, without knowing the actual meaning of those words, used them of other people, or of other nations, sometimes in a contemptuous manner. Some talk about “paganism” or “heathenism”, or use some similar words. Sometimes, that is connected to a dogmatic claim, or perhaps merely a “feeling”, that people in the person’s own church, country or nation are “enlightened” or “God’s people” or “God’s elect”, while others are considered to be “gentiles”, “pagans”, “heathen”, or something similar.

[af_vet_1981]

I have no doubt that you believe that. Christ preserved Judas as an apostle until he fulfilled his purpose as well. The Catholic Church will be preserved until the events of Revelation 18.

Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her. And the kings of the earth, who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her, shall bewail her, and lament for her, when they shall see the smoke of her burning, Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Give your interpretation.

[CynicalBear]

Revelation 18 is talking about the Roman Catholic Church.The woman that rides the beast. Mystery, Babylon the Great, The Mother of Harlots and abominations of the earth.

Revelation 17:9 This calls for a mind with wisdom. The seven heads are seven hills on which the woman sits.

"It is within the city of Rome, called the city of seven hills, that the entire area of Vatican State proper is now confined." [The Catholic Encyclopedia (Thomas Nelson, 1976), s.v. "Rome."]

"Babylon is a code word for Rome. It is used that way six times in the last book of the Bible [four of the six are in chapters 17 and 18 and in extrabiblical works such as Sibylling Oracles (5, 159f.), the Apocalypse of Baruch (ii, 1), and 4 Esdras (3:1). Eusebius Pamphilius, writing about 303, noted that "it is said that Peter's first epistle... was composed at Rome itself; and that he himself indicates this, referring to the city figuratively as Babylon." [Karl Keating, Catholicism and Fundamentalism: The Attack on "Romanism" by "Bible Christians" (Ignatius Press, 1988), p. 200.]

Revelation 18:4 And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.