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Pope unexpectedly names 6 liberals, including Wuerl, to draft report
Rorate Caeli ^

Posted on 10/14/2014 10:35:56 AM PDT by Fithal the Wise

... So, the Pope wants full and free debate, and free deliberations... except when he doesn't. And when the secret ballot reveals a conservative majority -- then he interferes against what had been settled beforehand to get what he wants. It is his prerogative, of course, even if it severely contradicts his own words and commitments, and, ultimately, his reliability.

http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/10/cardinal-burke-pariah-not-for-synod.html#more

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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; Religion & Culture; Religion & Politics
KEYWORDS: liberal; pope; synod
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If there was any doubt, Pope Francis has shown his colors.
1 posted on 10/14/2014 10:35:56 AM PDT by Fithal the Wise
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To: Fithal the Wise

The False Prophet, paving the way for you-know-who.


2 posted on 10/14/2014 10:38:14 AM PDT by Edgar3 (Libnorance is a mental disease, and it's getting Progressively worse!)
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To: Fithal the Wise
"Unexpectedly."

So many parallels between Obola and Frances.

3 posted on 10/14/2014 10:39:08 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("The man who damns money obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it earned it." --Ayn Rand)
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To: Fithal the Wise

So if this Pope declares that homosexuality is no longer a sin, does that mean Catholics now have to accept and support it? Because “infallibility.”


4 posted on 10/14/2014 10:40:32 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ('Merica!)
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To: Fithal the Wise

Note to FR Catholics: Pope Frank is selling you out.


5 posted on 10/14/2014 10:43:19 AM PDT by Dr. Thorne ("Don't be afraid. Just believe." - Mark 5:36)
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To: Fithal the Wise

6 posted on 10/14/2014 10:43:21 AM PDT by JPG ("So sue me". OK, we will.)
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To: Thane_Banquo

I don’t know about all that, but I do know I’ll leave the flock. The bible is pretty clear in that regard.


7 posted on 10/14/2014 10:43:46 AM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (I don't even know what to say anymore..)
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To: Fithal the Wise
The Catholics have been fiscally liberal for a long time.

Now they're also becoming socially liberal. It's my guess that they are moving left socially because they are terrified of losing their socially liberal funds from Gov't.

8 posted on 10/14/2014 10:44:34 AM PDT by what's up
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To: Fithal the Wise

how long will it be until the FReeper Catholic contingent agrees to become “gay positive”?


9 posted on 10/14/2014 10:44:40 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy (It's time to Repeal and Replace the Republican Party)
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To: Fithal the Wise
Cardinal Burke was elected by the Synod. Cardinal Wuerl “unexpectedly” appointed by Pope Francis.

What does that say about the Synod?

10 posted on 10/14/2014 10:45:23 AM PDT by detective
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To: Fithal the Wise
Actual title of the article:
Cardinal Burke a pariah? Not for the Synod Fathers! - Pope unexpectedly names 6 liberals, including Wuerl, to draft report
Cardinal Burke was among those elected by his fellow bishops of one of the three English-speaking circles (the Anglicus A) as moderatore (chairman) of the group to help in the writing of the group reports that make the final report. There were many "conservatives" elected in the different groups, including Cardinal Sarah, moderator for Gallicus (French-speaking) A, Abp. Léonard, relatore (rapporteur) for Gallicus B; Cardinal Bagnasco, moderator for Italicus B; Cardinal Robles Ortega, moderator for Ibericus (Spanish-speaking) A.

So, what was the Pope's response to these surprising votes?

He personally appointed ad hoc, and without prior announcement on this before the synod, six other prelates for the composition of the final report (the "Relatio Synodi"), all known as strong liberals: Cardinals Ravasi and Wuerl, Abps. Victor Manuel Fernández, Aguiar Retes, and Bp. Peter Kang, and the Superior General of the Society of Jesus Fr. Adolfo Nicolás Pachon.


11 posted on 10/14/2014 10:45:28 AM PDT by Alex Murphy ("the defacto Leader of the FR Calvinist Protestant Brigades")
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To: Thane_Banquo

Not at all. If this Pope declares homosexuality is no longer a sin he de facto ceases to be Pope.

St. Thomas Aquinas:

“In the case in which the pope would become a heretic, he would find himself, by that fact alone and without any other sentence, separated from the Church. A head separated from a body cannot, as long as it remains separated, be head of the same body from which it was cut off.
“A pope who would be separated from the Church by heresy, therefore, would by that very fact itself cease to be head of the Church. He could not be a heretic and remain pope, because, since he is outside of the Church, he cannot possess the keys of the Church.”

St. Robert Bellarmine:

*”...a pope who is a manifest heretic by that fact ceases to be pope and head, just as he by that fact ceases to be a Christian and a member of the body of the Church; wherefore he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the judgement of all the early fathers, who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction.”


12 posted on 10/14/2014 10:46:03 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Thane_Banquo

“does that mean Catholics now have to accept and support it?”

No... Many would rightfully just leave the Church.


13 posted on 10/14/2014 10:46:47 AM PDT by babygene
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To: babygene

Where will they go? One of the Orthodox churches?


14 posted on 10/14/2014 10:49:09 AM PDT by Gamecock (USA, Ret.)
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To: Claud

Ah, but it looks as though the Pope won’t be doing it...his “synod” will be doing so.


15 posted on 10/14/2014 10:50:17 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: Individual Rights in NJ
I don’t know about all that, but I do know I’ll leave the flock. The bible is pretty clear in that regard.

Sounds a bit... Protestant, no?

16 posted on 10/14/2014 10:50:24 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ('Merica!)
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To: Thane_Banquo
'Infallibility' only applies to if the pope declares something 'ex cathedra.' That only happens rarely. It last happened in 1950 when Pope Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary as dogma.

So, no, Pope Francis' views on homosexuality are not infallible. And if he were to attempt to declare that homosexual acts are no longer sinful, it wouldn't be infallible. It would be heretical.
17 posted on 10/14/2014 10:51:30 AM PDT by irishjuggler
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To: Gamecock

“Where will they go? One of the Orthodox churches?”

I don’t know. I’m not familiar with any of the Orthodox Churches.


18 posted on 10/14/2014 10:52:49 AM PDT by babygene
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To: irishjuggler
'Infallibility' only applies to if the pope declares something 'ex cathedra.' That only happens rarely. It last happened in 1950 when Pope Pius XII defined the Assumption of Mary as dogma.

Correct, but all he has to do is declare himself to be speaking ex cathedra, and then say being gay is okay.

19 posted on 10/14/2014 10:54:31 AM PDT by Thane_Banquo ('Merica!)
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To: babygene
No... Many would rightfully just leave the Church.

Now you are beginning to see Martin Luther's position...

20 posted on 10/14/2014 10:57:24 AM PDT by Iscool
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