Posted on 10/14/2014 10:35:56 AM PDT by Fithal the Wise
... So, the Pope wants full and free debate, and free deliberations... except when he doesn't. And when the secret ballot reveals a conservative majority -- then he interferes against what had been settled beforehand to get what he wants. It is his prerogative, of course, even if it severely contradicts his own words and commitments, and, ultimately, his reliability.
http://rorate-caeli.blogspot.com/2014/10/cardinal-burke-pariah-not-for-synod.html#more
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The False Prophet, paving the way for you-know-who.
So many parallels between Obola and Frances.
So if this Pope declares that homosexuality is no longer a sin, does that mean Catholics now have to accept and support it? Because “infallibility.”
Note to FR Catholics: Pope Frank is selling you out.
I don’t know about all that, but I do know I’ll leave the flock. The bible is pretty clear in that regard.
Now they're also becoming socially liberal. It's my guess that they are moving left socially because they are terrified of losing their socially liberal funds from Gov't.
how long will it be until the FReeper Catholic contingent agrees to become “gay positive”?
What does that say about the Synod?
Cardinal Burke was among those elected by his fellow bishops of one of the three English-speaking circles (the Anglicus A) as moderatore (chairman) of the group to help in the writing of the group reports that make the final report. There were many "conservatives" elected in the different groups, including Cardinal Sarah, moderator for Gallicus (French-speaking) A, Abp. Léonard, relatore (rapporteur) for Gallicus B; Cardinal Bagnasco, moderator for Italicus B; Cardinal Robles Ortega, moderator for Ibericus (Spanish-speaking) A.So, what was the Pope's response to these surprising votes?
He personally appointed ad hoc, and without prior announcement on this before the synod, six other prelates for the composition of the final report (the "Relatio Synodi"), all known as strong liberals: Cardinals Ravasi and Wuerl, Abps. Victor Manuel Fernández, Aguiar Retes, and Bp. Peter Kang, and the Superior General of the Society of Jesus Fr. Adolfo Nicolás Pachon.
Not at all. If this Pope declares homosexuality is no longer a sin he de facto ceases to be Pope.
St. Thomas Aquinas:
“In the case in which the pope would become a heretic, he would find himself, by that fact alone and without any other sentence, separated from the Church. A head separated from a body cannot, as long as it remains separated, be head of the same body from which it was cut off.
“A pope who would be separated from the Church by heresy, therefore, would by that very fact itself cease to be head of the Church. He could not be a heretic and remain pope, because, since he is outside of the Church, he cannot possess the keys of the Church.”
St. Robert Bellarmine:
*”...a pope who is a manifest heretic by that fact ceases to be pope and head, just as he by that fact ceases to be a Christian and a member of the body of the Church; wherefore he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the judgement of all the early fathers, who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction.”
“does that mean Catholics now have to accept and support it?”
No... Many would rightfully just leave the Church.
Where will they go? One of the Orthodox churches?
Ah, but it looks as though the Pope won’t be doing it...his “synod” will be doing so.
Sounds a bit... Protestant, no?
“Where will they go? One of the Orthodox churches?”
I don’t know. I’m not familiar with any of the Orthodox Churches.
Correct, but all he has to do is declare himself to be speaking ex cathedra, and then say being gay is okay.
Now you are beginning to see Martin Luther's position...
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