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Why would anyone become Catholic?
https://www.indiegogo.com ^ | October 2, 2014 | Indiegogo

Posted on 10/08/2014 11:39:09 AM PDT by NKP_Vet

Why would intelligent, successful people give up their careers, alienate their friends, and cause havoc in their families...to become Catholic? Indeed, why would anyone become Catholic?

As an evangelist and author who recently threw my own life into some turmoil by deciding to enter the Catholic Church, I've faced this question a lot lately. That is one reason I decided to make this documentary; it's part of my attempt to try to explain to those closest to me why I would do such a crazy thing.

Convinced isn't just about me, though. The film is built around interviews with some of the most articulate and compelling Catholic converts in our culture today, including Scott Hahn, Francis Beckwith, Taylor Marshall, Holly Ordway, Abby Johnson, Jeff Cavins, Devin Rose, Matthew Leonard, Mark Regnerus, Jason Stellman, John Bergsma, Christian Smith, Kevin Vost, David Currie, Richard Cole, and Kenneth Howell. It also contains special appearances by experts in the field of conversion such as Patrick Madrid and Donald Asci.

Ultimately, this is a story about finding truth, beauty, and fulfillment in an unexpected place, and then sacrificing to grab on to it. I think it will entertain and inspire you, and perhaps even give you a fresh perspective on an old faith.

(Excerpt) Read more at indiegogo.com ...


TOPICS: Apologetics; Catholic; Charismatic Christian; Evangelical Christian; General Discusssion; Mainline Protestant; Other Christian; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: catholic; willconvertforfood
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To: Mrs. Don-o
>>If the apostles, pastors, administrators (as listed by Paul) are "binding or loosing" something on earth, it is because "it is agreeable to the Holy Spirit<<

No, not just "agreable". The apostles did NOT decide with agreement from the Holy Spirit. That could ONLY declare what " had already been" bound or loosed in heaven. The Greek is "will have been".

>>Second: servant authority is exactly what I'm talking about. This is the kind of authority Christ gives His Church.<<

No, the Catholic Church inserts the word " authority" which is not there in scripture nor is it inferred or implied.

901 posted on 10/11/2014 6:44:50 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: Mrs. Don-o; Elsie

Yeah or it’s the comfy chair for you two!


902 posted on 10/11/2014 7:04:48 PM PDT by mitch5501 ("make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things ye shall never fall")
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To: CynicalBear; Mrs. Don-o
CB, excellent use of the Greek.

the biggest flaw i see, not only with the roman catholic cult, but other churches is the lack of use of the Greek. In the vast majority of situations a use of the Greek clears up the matter.

For ex: catholics like to cite Hail Mary as being biblical to justify giving Mary a false title and false worship.

But a closer look at the Greek shows the angel was only greeting Mary.

When we see this it brings into focus the proper view of Mary we should have.

903 posted on 10/11/2014 7:16:45 PM PDT by ealgeone
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To: af_vet_1981
. It seems to me the Billy Graham Organization (not organism) dovetails nicely with this view. However, there can be problems. Previously, Mormons had been on the evangelical organization’s “cult” list, alongside Unitarians, Scientologists, Spiritists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and adherents of the Unification Church.

I am not alone in my amazement at the insistence of RCs that we must be following someone as supremely determinative of what we believe, from Luther to Osteen, and thus imagine that if they can impugn the character of such then it will somehow damage or destroy our faith.

This is due to their Roman conditioning "to think of men above that which is written," (1Cor. 4:6) and thus identify with them, creating disunity. However, to be a real Christian is to follow the Lord and validate men by that which is written, out of love for Truth, (Acts 17:26) and thus insofar leaders stop being consistent with plain Truth of Scripture then they are not to be followed..

And although the Billy Graham association has done much much good (including running newspaper ads in that state in April encouraging support for an amendment against same-sex marriage, resulting in the IRS contacting them), yet as it began compromising years ago by sanctioning Catholicism, thus it is not surprising that they would not want to offend Mormonism, a sola ecclesia cult, which shares many distinctive similarities with Rome, , along with critical differences ).

Furthermore I must confess that I am not persuaded by your explanations and arguments about John 17:20-23.

Well that is hardly surprising, as you simply cannot anyway if it would impugn an argument for Rome, which certainly fails of that unity.

However, I do acknowledge you as a baptized Catholic who has sought other pastures according to your conscience, and that you have a zeal of God to serve the LORD Jesus Christ.

I am not a Catholic regardless of the RC claim based upon her "indelible mark", which is just as much a manifest fantasy as believing RC kids are born again by being sprinkled. When you really do become regenerated, it will change one manifestly profoundly. Thank God.

904 posted on 10/11/2014 7:28:18 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: Elsie
Exactly like the Catholic honchos do today; right?

There simply are no NT pastors even called priests anyway, aside from the priesthood of all believers.

905 posted on 10/11/2014 7:29:49 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: ealgeone
>>the biggest flaw i see, not only with the roman catholic cult, but other churches is the lack of use of the Greek.<<

Most of it comes from trying force a preconceived belief. For instance. The Catholic Church claims it's Mary who crushes Satan's head. The Hebrew totally demolishes that concept but Catholics still hold to it to support their Mariology apostacy.

>>For ex: catholics like to cite Hail Mary as being biblical to justify giving Mary a false title and false worship.<<

They also totally mistranslate to insert "full of grace" which is NOT supported in the Greek. Plus they give Mary credit when the angel TOLD her what was going to happen. He didn't ask.

906 posted on 10/11/2014 7:39:11 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: CynicalBear; ConservingFreedom; Unam Sanctam; x_plus_one; Patton@Bastogne; Oldeconomybuyer; ...

In the Religion forum, on a thread titled Why would anyone become Catholic?, CynicalBear wrote:
>>If the apostles, pastors, administrators (as listed by Paul) are “binding or loosing” something on earth, it is because “it is agreeable to the Holy Spirit<<
No, not just “agreable”. The apostles did NOT decide with agreement from the Holy Spirit. That could ONLY declare what “ had already been” bound or loosed in heaven. The Greek is “will have been”.

>>Second: servant authority is exactly what I’m talking about. This is the kind of authority Christ gives His Church.<<

No, the Catholic Church inserts the word “ authority” which is not there in scripture nor is it inferred or implied.

ROTFLMAO! Too funny.


907 posted on 10/11/2014 7:41:04 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: narses

So find the “authority” in the Greek text. That should be easy for you if you find it “too funny”. Surely you have already studied the Geek to be able to say that right?


908 posted on 10/11/2014 7:44:33 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: CynicalBear; Mrs. Don-o
If you read the Greek it says that whatever you bind "will have already been bound in heaven". They were to simply apply the scriptures and declare what had been established in heaven. The Catholic Church has totally abandoned what the words in Greek mean.
    KJV Matthew 16:19
  1. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven. dwvsw {V-FAI-1S} soi {P-2DS} ta;? {T-APF} klei'da? {N-APF} th'? {T-GSF} basileiva? {N-GSF} tw'n {T-GPM} oujranw'n, {N-GPM} kai; {CONJ} oJ; {R-ASN} eja;n {COND} dhvsh/? {V-AAS-2S} ejpi; {PREP} th'? {T-GSF} gh'? {N-GSF} e~stai {V-FXI-3S} dedemevnon {V-RPP-NSN} ejn {PREP} toi'? {T-DPM} oujranoi'?, {N-DPM} kai; {CONJ} oJ; {R-ASN} eja;n {COND} luvsh/? {V-AAS-2S} ejpi; {PREP} th'? {T-GSF} gh'? {N-GSF} e~stai {V-FXI-3S} lelumevnon {V-RPP-NSN} ejn {PREP} toi'? {T-DPM} oujranoi'?. {N-DPM}
  2. What qualifications did you earn to translate Greek ?
  3. If, instead, you are relying on someone else's scholarship please identify it.
  4. Please specify which English version you and your assembly use to teach and learn doctrine. Cherry picking translations would tend to weaken one's argument.

909 posted on 10/11/2014 7:49:44 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: CynicalBear

What expertise in Greek are you claiming?


910 posted on 10/11/2014 7:54:26 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: Mrs. Don-o
1 Peter2:13 (LINK) --- and that deserves a good long look, because it applies to Church authorities even more than to secular authorities.

No it does not, as in context it is referring more to secular authorities.If you want to find support for submission to ecclesiastical authorities that would be Heb. 13:17.

911 posted on 10/11/2014 8:00:57 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: narses; CynicalBear
What expertise in Greek are you claiming?

I'm also curious about your qualifications in Hebrew given this comment "The Hebrew totally demolishes that concept." Are you relying on your own expertise or another's work ? If another did the work, please source it.

912 posted on 10/11/2014 8:02:33 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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To: af_vet_1981
Perhaps you would accept Strong's direct translation?

Matthew 18:18 Verily I say to you, Whatever things ye may bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever things ye may loose on the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.

913 posted on 10/11/2014 8:02:46 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: narses

Oh come now. Don’t dodge. It was you who thought it was “too funny”. Let’s see your rebuttal.


914 posted on 10/11/2014 8:05:17 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: CynicalBear; af_vet_1981; ConservingFreedom; Unam Sanctam; x_plus_one; Patton@Bastogne; ...

“Perhaps you would accept Strong’s direct translation?”

Why? The Church has 2,000 years of unbroken scholarship on the issue. Since you appear to rely on other’s - implying no special knowledge of your own, why Strong over the Church Christ founded?

“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “


915 posted on 10/11/2014 8:05:35 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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To: af_vet_1981

I rely on the Hebrew and Greek as found in Strong’s, Thayer’s, etc


916 posted on 10/11/2014 8:11:06 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: narses; CynicalBear; af_vet_1981; ConservingFreedom; Unam Sanctam; x_plus_one; Patton@Bastogne; ...
Why? The Church has 2,000 years of unbroken scholarship on the issue. Since you appear to rely on other’s - implying no special knowledge of your own, why Strong over the Church Christ founded?

Perhaps you'll draw upon that 2,000 years of unbroken Catholic scholarship and tell us about “Pope Peter” the first Pope and his garments.

Did Peter wear gaudy robes and tall hats? Did he carry a bejeweled and gilded shepherd's staff?

Did the other apostles wear opulent jewelry as symbols of their offices?

Did they dwell in luxurious and comfortable gilded chambers?

I'm waiting for one of your silly pictures. I'd rather you simply answer the questions.

917 posted on 10/11/2014 8:13:10 PM PDT by Rides_A_Red_Horse (Why do you need a fire extinguisher when you can call the fire department?)
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To: narses
“Jesus said to them again, ‘Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.’ And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.’ “

There are exactly two times that we see God/Jesus breathe (pnuemous) on anyone. The first time was Genesis when God breathed life into Adam giving him Dominion (authority) over the "lower creatures, and earth." The second time was when Jesus gave His authority to the Apostles.

Maybe this is one of the things removed from prot Bibles.

918 posted on 10/11/2014 8:14:54 PM PDT by verga (You anger Catholics by telling them a lie, you anger protestants by telling them the truth.)
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To: narses
Acts 15:8 and the heart-knowing God did bare them testimony, having given to them the Holy Spirit, even as also to us, 9 and did put no difference also between us and them, by the faith having purified their hearts;
919 posted on 10/11/2014 8:17:38 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus info)
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To: Rides_A_Red_Horse

920 posted on 10/11/2014 8:19:46 PM PDT by narses ( For the Son of man shall come ... and then will he render to every man according to his works.)
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