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To: af_vet_1981
. It seems to me the Billy Graham Organization (not organism) dovetails nicely with this view. However, there can be problems. Previously, Mormons had been on the evangelical organization’s “cult” list, alongside Unitarians, Scientologists, Spiritists, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and adherents of the Unification Church.

I am not alone in my amazement at the insistence of RCs that we must be following someone as supremely determinative of what we believe, from Luther to Osteen, and thus imagine that if they can impugn the character of such then it will somehow damage or destroy our faith.

This is due to their Roman conditioning "to think of men above that which is written," (1Cor. 4:6) and thus identify with them, creating disunity. However, to be a real Christian is to follow the Lord and validate men by that which is written, out of love for Truth, (Acts 17:26) and thus insofar leaders stop being consistent with plain Truth of Scripture then they are not to be followed..

And although the Billy Graham association has done much much good (including running newspaper ads in that state in April encouraging support for an amendment against same-sex marriage, resulting in the IRS contacting them), yet as it began compromising years ago by sanctioning Catholicism, thus it is not surprising that they would not want to offend Mormonism, a sola ecclesia cult, which shares many distinctive similarities with Rome, , along with critical differences ).

Furthermore I must confess that I am not persuaded by your explanations and arguments about John 17:20-23.

Well that is hardly surprising, as you simply cannot anyway if it would impugn an argument for Rome, which certainly fails of that unity.

However, I do acknowledge you as a baptized Catholic who has sought other pastures according to your conscience, and that you have a zeal of God to serve the LORD Jesus Christ.

I am not a Catholic regardless of the RC claim based upon her "indelible mark", which is just as much a manifest fantasy as believing RC kids are born again by being sprinkled. When you really do become regenerated, it will change one manifestly profoundly. Thank God.

904 posted on 10/11/2014 7:28:18 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212
I am not alone in my amazement at the insistence of RCs that we must be following someone as supremely determinative of what we believe, from Luther to Osteen, and thus imagine that if they can impugn the character of such then it will somehow damage or destroy our faith.

I think "my faith" would be a more accurate rendering, unless perhaps you are jointly posting with your spouse. It seems to me that you are a Catholic by your own admission. I have found in my experience, a strong tendency amongst Catholics who have journeyed away from the Catholic Church on another path, be it Christian oriented, another faith, or no faith at all tend to be overly angry, harsh and critical toward the Catholic Church. It seems to me to be a fault and not a virtue.

It is also seems to me that nonCatholic assemblies, especially Evangelical and Fundamentalists tend to be dominated by personality and evoke an authority/submission paradigm more than the Catholic Church where the designated clergy operate more as servants despite all appearances. This may even be reflected in the salaries where Catholic clergy appear to be paid the least.

921 posted on 10/11/2014 8:20:55 PM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began.)
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