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500 Years of Chaos: Protestantism’s Anniversary
Catholic Analysis ^ | 7 June 2014 | Philipp Rogall

Posted on 06/08/2014 1:59:17 PM PDT by matthewrobertolson

In 2017, we will witness the 500th anniversary of one of the most important, influential and regrettable events in Church history: the Protestant Reformation, or the Protestant Rebellion, as some prefer to call it. Indeed, the latter term would suit me better, too. But, being German, I am used to the former expression and should I ever refer to said event as die protestantische Rebellion, people would think me some sort of radical. On that thought, perhaps it is worth noting that rebels are often quite radical themselves, which is one thing we can definitely say of the so-called "Reformers". To mark this anniversary, the Lutheran World Federation (LWF) has planned a number of events, beginning with a "Lutheran Decade" from 2008 to 2017. Each year has it’s own theme in the form of "The Reformation and…", i.e. Education, Freedom, Music, Tolerance, Politics and others.

The decade will culminate in the celebratory year of 2017, to which the President of the Evangelical "Church" in Germany (EKD), Nikolaus Schneider, has even invited Pope Francis. But, really, how likely is it His Holiness will hop on a plane and join in the celebration of someone his predecessor excommunicated? One might ask, is there any room for Catholics to take part in some sort of event? This is the question that is circulating in the mother country of the Reformation: Germany. The Most Reverend Gerhard Feige, Bishop of Magdeburg, is the Bishops' Conference's representative for ecumenical affairs. He has dedicated a lot of thought and time to the question how Catholics should view this event.

It begins with the name: Do we call it an anniversary, something that could imply happiness, or a commemoration of an event that has wrought such great damage upon the Body of Christ, His holy Bride, the Catholic Church? The German bishops have chosen the latter term. There is still confusion on the whole thing, though: The EKD is not being very clear on what exactly they want to celebrate. One hears catchy words such as "diversity", "conscience", and the like stuck onto the Reformation in their talk, but never do we hear of heresy, schism or even the antisemitism of Luther and his ilk. Indeed, who in his right mind would celebrate the chaos and harm inflicted on the Church by the so-called "Reformers"? Not even the Protestants organizing the event dare to say thus. Yet, one gets the impression that the whole event is not actually interested in critically evaluating the past, or their theology for that matter, but rather praising it as the dawn of an era of "tolerance" and "liberty".

Could this be any further from the truth? Professor Heinz Schilling of Berlin, a member of the advisory board for the anniversary, stated in an interview that Luther was "everything but tolerant" and criticized the EKD as "quite understandably not interested in any of the research’s findings". He went even further and said that the organizers made themselves appear "laughable among scholars" by claiming what they do. Margot Käßmann, who is the anniversary’s ambassador and a former Lutheran "bishop", once claimed that it was thanks to Luther that her sect had female "bishops". The professor criticizes this as yet another inaccuracy and something that Luther certainly did not envision. Is it any wonder, then, that the EKD has not come out clearly and said what the entire occasion is about for them, as the bishops have repeatedly bewailed, if even their own board members see through their catchy slogans?

What about us Catholics? Is there any way in which we can join our separated brethren in their commemoration? I argue: no. Some will disagree, but to me, the Reformation is intrinsically connected to fracture in the Body of Christ, heresy and the resulting total chaos. I could never join any such "commemoration", even if one doesn't call it an "anniversary" for the sake of appeasing Catholics. When have we ever "commemorated" the schism of 1054, or any heresy, for that matter? I believe we would do great harm to the effort of achieving Christian unity by taking part in any way. It obscures the borders between Catholicism and Protestantism, confuses people, and may even cause scandal.

The aforementioned Margot Käßmann suggested the following kind of participation of Catholics and Protestants: Each group could begin a pilgrimage on their own route, and reach one common destination. She would also like the program to achieve that all people learn "that 31 October is Reformation Day and not Halloween", to which Bishop Feige of Magdeburg replied "and the eve of All Saints". But the problem I see with Käßmann’s proposal is this: Although the idea might seem nice, it suggests that Protestantism and Catholicism are somehow equals. They most definitely are not. And certainly not according to Luther himself! Catholics know that their Church is the Church Christ the Lord founded on St. Peter, and Protestantism's very name already suggests otherwise. The Reformers made that point very clear. From a Catholic point of view, a heretical movement that splits the Church cannot be of equal worth as the One True Faith. Just think how we would have fought Arianism if such had been our position! This is not to say that Protestants aren't Christians, of course, but we must realize that Protestantism is not what our Lord willed us to have or believe: Catholicism is. Thus, two equal pilgrimages reaching one destination à la Käßmann would cause scandal and confusion. I assume she does not want it to symbolize the way we might some day find unity, but rather the common destination means Christ. But that is precisely the point: The Catholic Church is the ark of salvation, the Body and Bride of Christ, and She alone has "the words of eternal life" (John 6:68). She is Christ in this world apart from Whom "no one comes to the Father" (John 14:6). Protestantism has distorted those words of eternal life fundamentally, and thus cannot be on equal footing with Holy Mother Church. If Christ is "the Way, the Truth and the Life" apart from Whom there is no salvation, then so is the Catholic Church, for She is His Body (Ephesians 1:22-23, Colossians 1:24).

Thus, let me emphasize again: Celebrating the Reformation, or even commemorating it with Protestants, will blur the sharp line between the One True Church and those communities that came from the Protestant Reformation. It will scandalize and, actually, almost certainly make Christian unity harder to achieve. For in pretending Protestantism is somehow equally valid or of the same dignity as Catholicism, we take away the very reason for Christian unity: to be united in the one Church that our Lord left us, founded on Peter in the person of the Roman Pontiff.

Therefore, I hope the German bishops decide not to participate – however unlikely that is. It remains to be seen whether the ecumenical progress in achieving unity hoped for will come about. Let us pray, that 2017 will bring to many people's attention the Truth of Catholicism and the scandal that the separation of Christians is, fostering in them the desire for unity with Christ in His Bride, which is Holy Church.

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To: narses

Tsk tsk...

You KNOW the cereal comes first; or else people will get confused as to what your relies so succinctly address.


301 posted on 06/09/2014 2:27:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
abortion

Ha ha!

'True' catholics would have burnt these places of death TO THE GROUND! long ago and DARED the 'authorities' to do something about it!

Spineless weasels!

302 posted on 06/09/2014 2:29:11 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Salvation
Why other lines of faith have crumbled on these issues??

We're too busy beating our wives...

303 posted on 06/09/2014 2:29:50 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Elsie

Mary (or Marty) isn’t going to handle anything. She is mortal and dead. There is nothing in the Bible which says she has divine powers. She is not a Goddess.


304 posted on 06/09/2014 2:32:53 AM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: Salvation
Hate to tell you this, but Christ founded his church on the apostles as the Bible tells us.

'Fraid not; Oh misinformed one.


Matthew 16:13-18

When Jesus came to the region of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say the Son of Man is?"  
 
They replied, "Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets."  
 
 "But what about you?" he asked. "Who do you say I am?"  
 
Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ,  the Son of the living God."  
 
Jesus replied, "Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by man, but by my Father in heaven.   And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades  will not overcome it.   
 

305 posted on 06/09/2014 2:33:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Religion Moderator

Three lefts do!


306 posted on 06/09/2014 2:35:45 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981
I'll see your one Luther and raise you 8 popes:



Pope Stephen VI (896–897), who had his predecessor Pope Formosus exhumed, tried, de-fingered, briefly reburied, and thrown in the Tiber.[1]

Pope John XII (955–964), who gave land to a mistress, murdered several people, and was killed by a man who caught him in bed with his wife.

Pope Benedict IX (1032–1044, 1045, 1047–1048), who "sold" the Papacy

Pope Boniface VIII (1294–1303), who is lampooned in Dante's Divine Comedy

Pope Urban VI (1378–1389), who complained that he did not hear enough screaming when Cardinals who had conspired against him were tortured.[2]

Pope Alexander VI (1492–1503), a Borgia, who was guilty of nepotism and whose unattended corpse swelled until it could barely fit in a coffin.[3]

Pope Leo X (1513–1521), a spendthrift member of the Medici family who once spent 1/7 of his predecessors' reserves on a single ceremony[4]

Pope Clement VII (1523–1534), also a Medici, whose power-politicking with France, Spain, and Germany got Rome sacked.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bad_Popes

307 posted on 06/09/2014 2:36:58 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: af_vet_1981

Twice?


308 posted on 06/09/2014 2:38:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: ealgeone; Salvation
Are you aware that most of the Hail Mary is from the Bible?

Do you realize that every letter used in the Bible is found in the alphabet?

309 posted on 06/09/2014 2:41:46 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: narses

cereal, Cereal, CEREAL!!!


310 posted on 06/09/2014 2:42:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: boatbums

The reforms that HAD to happen within the Catholic church, did so because Almighty God was behind it.


311 posted on 06/09/2014 2:44:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: GeronL

HERETIC!

Heat the oil seven times hotter!

312 posted on 06/09/2014 2:47:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: headsonpikes

Not sure I follow you


313 posted on 06/09/2014 3:39:51 AM PDT by Cronos (ObamaÂ’s dislike of Assad is not based on AssadÂ’s brutality but that he isn't a jihadi Moslem)
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To: Iscool
Is means is, not represents

So you have one and a half billion people who don't know that eh???

314 posted on 06/09/2014 3:42:46 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: ealgeone
Are you reading Catholics minds?

Are you telling me what I do?

315 posted on 06/09/2014 3:44:16 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: ealgeone
Mary, nor any other NT writer uses the term, mother of God.

Are you denying that Jesus is God?

Luke 1:43But why am I so favored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

John 20:28Thomas said to him, "My Lord and my God!"

That sounds like JW talk to me. Are you a closet JW?

316 posted on 06/09/2014 3:47:56 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: Elsie
'True' catholics would have burnt these places of death TO THE GROUND! long ago and DARED the 'authorities' to do something about it! Spineless weasels!

Why don't you lead the charge? Or are you the spineless weasel you accuse us of being?

You don't have to answer since the answer is clear.

317 posted on 06/09/2014 3:53:30 AM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertatian)
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To: boatbums
The Catholic church was NOT holy nor apostolic for a long time.

Ah, so you hold the theory that the gates of hell prevailed against the holy catholic apostolic church that was founded, as Jesus said, on the apostles, prophets, with Jesus himself the chief cornerstone. Exactly how many years was that ? And if Luther is not your apostle or prophet, who exactly was the apostle or prophet who re-formed the church in question (surely not Joseph Smith) ?

He saith unto them, But whom say ye that I am? And Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God. And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven. And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.

318 posted on 06/09/2014 3:59:00 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: daniel1212
Luther is not a pope to us,

Then why do you personally defend him and thus his antisemitism by posting and blaming others with an "they did it too" response ? You don't have to answer me; you have to answer the LORD Jesus Christ, the holy apostles and prophets, and the blessed Virgin Mary who are all Jewish.

319 posted on 06/09/2014 4:04:49 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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To: Iscool
For you, the rest of the link, clearly showing two usages:
pray  (pr)
v. prayed, pray·ing, prays
v.intr.
1. To utter or address a prayer or prayers to God, a god, or another object of worship.
2. To make a fervent request or entreaty.
v.tr.
1. To utter or say a prayer or prayers to; address by prayer.
2. To ask (someone) imploringly; beseech. Now often used elliptically for I pray you to introduce a request or entreaty: Pray be careful.
3. To make a devout or earnest request for: I pray your permission to speak.
4. To move or bring by prayer or entreaty.
[Middle English preien, from Old French preier, from Latin precr, from prec, pl. of *prex, prayer; see prek- in Indo-European roots.]
The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition copyright ©2000 by Houghton Mifflin Company. Updated in 2009. Published by Houghton Mifflin Company. All rights reserved.
pray (preɪ)
vb
1. (when: intr, often foll by for; when tr, usually takes a clause as object) to utter prayers (to God or other object of worship): we prayed to God for the sick child.
2. (when tr, usually takes a clause as object or an infinitive) to make an earnest entreaty (to or for); beg or implore: she prayed to be allowed to go; leave, I pray you.
3. (tr) to accomplish or bring by praying: to pray a soul into the kingdom.
interj
4. I beg you; please: pray, leave us alone.
[C13: from Old French preier, from Latin precārī to implore, from prex an entreaty; related to Old English fricgan, Old High German frāgēn to ask, Old Norse fregna to enquire]
Collins English Dictionary – Complete and Unabridged © HarperCollins Publishers 1991, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003
pray (preɪ) 

v.t.
1. to offer devout petition, praise, thanks, etc., to (God or an object of worship).
2. to offer (a prayer).
3. to make earnest petition to (a person).
4. to make entreaty for; crave: I pray your forgiveness.
5. to bring, put, etc., by praying: to pray a soul into heaven.
v.i.
6. to offer devout petition, praise, thanks, etc., to God or to an object of worship; engage in prayer.
7. to make entreaty to a person or for a thing.
[1250–1300; Middle English preien < Old French preier « Latin precārī to beg, pray, derivative of prex (s. prec-) prayer]

320 posted on 06/09/2014 4:07:55 AM PDT by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began)
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