Posted on 03/20/2014 7:47:22 AM PDT by Gamecock
Ah yes...
The P in TULIP...
No thanks.
From your perspective does God know who will “choose Him” before they were created?
And sent his son to be sacrificed in order to save those who were preordained to be saved.
Fascinating stuff.
I am a believer that you talk about ANYTHING and EVERYTHING.
I think God can handle it. ; )
Predestination = letting someone else run you life...
We saw predestination in the Soviet Union where people knew they were in for misery and they would accept misery as inevitable.
Predestination or the belife in it is a killer of motivation as it creates an attitude of “Why Bother”.
I do believe in predestination, of course.
“.... ground rules for how we must talk....” HUH?
Rules? MUST? Nonsense! Free and open discussion, without rules or dictates (other than for decorum), is how all things should be discussed.
Of course, much better is that self-manufactured wishfulness that God is up there stroking his beard wondering who is going to be good enough to turn their own lives around and choose me. There he sits, hoping some will pay attention, but unable or unwilling to do anything more because the smart ones (like you) will turn and DESERVE salvation. You guys ought to read the Book...
What’s the use of talking about predestination if it’s gonna happen anyway?
But wait a minute... was it predestined that we’d ask the question about talking about predestination?
Bye...
Free will! Even God doesn’t know what man will do - until a man decides!
The way I read it, when we were inthe garden before the snake we were effective “predetermined beings”, when we learned the “forbidden knowledge” we learned free will and earned all the advantages as well as the disadvantages that come with it.
While being predetermined is nice in that you really need no responsibility... You have no control over your life whatsoever.
You know, like the nanny state government... All utopias are nothing more than false edens, where you have no control of your life for the failed promised of getting your mouth filled with food and your butt wiped as it leaves you...
[ Free will! Even God doesn’t know what man will do - until a man decides! ]
The only time mankind was predestined was when there was the garden of eden.
When are children living at home (provided they have a decent family) they are in a “eden” of sorts as they are predestined by their parents as well.
I appreciate the autographed photo of you contemplating the Arminian error, but this discussion is for adults...
I am of the opinion that God’s predestination towards us is that we are all to go to heaven and be with him for eternity. However, God has granted us free will and we have the ability to choose to live a life outside of God’s will. In effect, out choices trump what God intended or predestined for us.
It is because of our choices during life that we choose to go to hell ourselves. If we choose to repent (change out thinking) and accept Jesus as the atonement for our sins, we can take advantage of a grace that God has provided for us and still enter into heaven.
Oh course we should talk about it, and of course we will: It had been predestined that we will.
This thread, and all its responses, has been predestined. Those whose comments are sinful were predestined to make them, and will go to hell. Those whose comments are pleasing to God were also predestined to make them, and will go to heaven.
Freepers talk much about freedom vs tyranny. Predestination gives us the best, and the worst, of that entire spectrum: We have free will to do whatever we want, but what we want and do, and the reward or punishment we get, is already controlled, cradle to grave, by a tyrant who may or may not ultimately already plan to make us suffer, and who has given us a highly user-unfriendly manual for figuring out the rules, and who makes NSA spying and drone kills look like child’s play.
I know my understanding may be out of synch with the labyrinthine reasoning theologians bring to this absurd argument, but there you have it.
Having no idea who I am or what I believe it has nothing to do with reality, but it does make a good retort.
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