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To: Gamecock
Yes--the doctrine that says God creates eternal souls for the sole purpose of throwing them into Hell.

No thanks.

4 posted on 03/20/2014 7:54:22 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: ShadowAce

From your perspective does God know who will “choose Him” before they were created?


5 posted on 03/20/2014 7:57:19 AM PDT by Gamecock
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To: ShadowAce

And sent his son to be sacrificed in order to save those who were preordained to be saved.


6 posted on 03/20/2014 7:57:20 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: ShadowAce

The way I read it, when we were inthe garden before the snake we were effective “predetermined beings”, when we learned the “forbidden knowledge” we learned free will and earned all the advantages as well as the disadvantages that come with it.

While being predetermined is nice in that you really need no responsibility... You have no control over your life whatsoever.

You know, like the nanny state government... All utopias are nothing more than false edens, where you have no control of your life for the failed promised of getting your mouth filled with food and your butt wiped as it leaves you...


15 posted on 03/20/2014 8:22:19 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: ShadowAce

I am of the opinion that God’s predestination towards us is that we are all to go to heaven and be with him for eternity. However, God has granted us free will and we have the ability to choose to live a life outside of God’s will. In effect, out choices trump what God intended or predestined for us.

It is because of our choices during life that we choose to go to hell ourselves. If we choose to repent (change out thinking) and accept Jesus as the atonement for our sins, we can take advantage of a grace that God has provided for us and still enter into heaven.


18 posted on 03/20/2014 8:27:00 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: ShadowAce

I don't think God needs to do any splainin'.... the verses are VERY clear.

Just look up the word "predestined".

28 posted on 03/20/2014 9:09:59 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: ShadowAce
Yes--the doctrine that says God creates eternal souls for the sole purpose of throwing them into Hell. No thanks

You sure did not get this doctrine from God. Going to 'hell' is a 'choice' that every soul gets to make. People love choices and so they are free to make them.

Predestination is an action that took place before the casting down/overthrow of the first rebel who decided he was god. Some souls did not follow the rebel, they were deemed loyal, trustworthy thus set aside to do the LORD's work through this flesh age. All souls in a flesh body are sinners, except Christ.

Strange how 'kings of their own castles' have issues with the Creator that created everything expecting discipline.

44 posted on 03/20/2014 10:38:45 AM PDT by Just mythoughts (Jesus said Luke 17:32 Remember Lot's wife.)
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To: ShadowAce
Yes--the doctrine that says God creates eternal souls for the sole purpose of throwing them into Hell.

Nope. It is the Doctrine that God revealed Himself in Nature and His Word to know how to avoid Hell. Yet, men choose Hell through their willful ignorance of Him and reprobation (through the wallowing in the deadness of their own sin). That God has Compassion and Mercy on some deliberately (a loving predestination) leaving the rest to their own devices.

None who are at the Judgement Throne of God will have any excuse to say He was not Just or that they were not warned. All who do not believe upon the Sin bearer (The Lord Jesus Christ) for Salvation will know right away what they missed. It will be as plain as day before the Throne as nothing will be hidden from them there.

56 posted on 03/20/2014 3:01:27 PM PDT by sr4402
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