Posted on 03/03/2014 6:30:04 AM PST by marshmallow
More than 20,000 people from all over the United States have asked that the Catholic Diocese in Helena, Montana reverse their decision to fire an unmarried and pregnant middle school teacher.
The social justice group Faithful America and the teacher's friends, Susan Hawthorne and Margaret Rankin, delivered a petition with 22,000 signatures to Bishop George Leo Thomas of The Roman Catholic Diocese of Helena on Thursday.
The petition calls the decision to fire the pregnant teacher at Butte Central Elementary-Junior High School, Shaela Evenson, 'hypocritical.'
(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...
That’s funny. Fire an unwed pregnant teacher and look the
other way on homosexual priests. It shows who the
church fears the most, perversion over procreation. I
guess the Catholic Diocese in Helena would rather she have
an abortion. If she had at least she would still have
her job.
Luke 1:35
“The angel answered, “The Holy Spirit will come on you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.”
- NIV in this case or use whatever translation one sees fit.
Her case though is unique, of course, she is sometimes even called “Spouse of the Holy Spirit”.
“What the hell’s the matter with you?”
“Let me clarify…Mary was unmarried at the time her pregnancy was revealed ( to Joseph) He considered ending his engagement to her which would have resulted in her being stoned to death as her pregnancy became obvious.”
Ooooooo......Slap down,,,,,,and so,,,,,,Obamaesk..
HaaaaHaaahahahahehe....just kidding. I didn’t know she was
unmarried either.
How were the kids to know the teacher’s marital status, unless she informed them? All she has to do is use Ms. instead of Miss.
“The Church has the right to see that Her doctrines are rightly promulgated in Her schools. When a teacher even and perhaps especially by how she lives flaunts Catholic values, the Church has the moral right to dismiss her. End of subject.”
Also, simply put, she violated the terms of her contract:
“Shaela Evenson “made a willful decision to violate the terms of her contract,” which requires her to follow Catholic teachings in both her personal and professional life, Superintendent Patrick Haggarty said Tuesday. “It’s a sensitive issue, and it’s unfortunate all around.”
Where do you draw the line?
Being pregnant in and of itself is not the problem. The problem is that as a teacher in a Catholic school she was supposed to live a life in accordance with the teachings of the Church and among those teaching is that sex outside of marriage is sinful.
I find that very, very, very hard to believe!
I know you said you were kidding, but…. By Obamaesk I assume that you mean to insinuate that I am a liberal. I assure you I am not. Nor is defending a pregnant woman a liberal position to take. May I remind you that Mr. Obama, Planned Parenthood, NOW, Naral and now sadly the girl scouts make it their mission to convince women to murder their children through various torturous means. Now, do not take that to mean that I am in favor of single motherhood, it is a scourge on our society. However being pro-life entails supporting a woman who is pregnant even if she was unmarried when she became so. Otherwise you are a hypocrite ( note in the situation presented in the article the church is not condemning her pregnancy but rather her unwillingness to marry)
After all who is sinless?
The fact that Christ’s mother Mary was unmarried at the time she conceived makes her choice to bear God’s son intensely more beautiful. Mary knew full well what happened to pregnant women who were unmarried but trusted God enough to know that He would care for her.
Nonsense! She didn't get fired for NOT having an abortion. She was fired for failing to live in accordance with the laws of the Church.
Maybe the best answer is for a woman in that situation to conceal the pregnancy until the end of the year....then move on.
This is why I keep harping to anyone that listens, that to be a Christian, you should desire to learn about our Lord and Savior because he is a Jew and we are not. It explains so much in the Bible that Christians just don't understand. By being Christian, you have agreed to marry Christ and have taken His name. The wedding will happen at the Rapture, but we are betrothed to Him right now. If you were to follow idols now, you have committed adultery to Christ. You belong to Him and Him alone. There are many that even deny the Rapture will happen. How else will we go to the Bridegroom to have the wedding feast spoken of in the Bible? It is all explained if you understand a Jewish wedding Feast.
No…the best answer for a woman in that situation is to marry the child’s father. Not to continue in a “ committed relationship”
Highlighting the evils of sex outside of marriage does not promote abortion. Quite the opposite. Many women choose abortion out of fear that their uncommitted boyfriends will take off if they don’t kill the child. Sadly, they usually take off anyway.
When my kid’s were Baptized, there were single Mothers in the Baptismal group. They weren’t singled out for a “out of wedlock” Baptism. Rather, they and their babies were welcomed.
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I understand what you are saying, but there is a big difference here.
This woman’s illegitimate birth is different because she is in a position of influencing young people. I do not know the particulars of this case, but I would not be surprised if she was frank with the kids about her unmarried state and even acted as if it was no big deal, which seems to be a common attitude these days. Probably she is shacking up with the father of the baby, as well.
You seem to be saying that her only option would be to get an abortion. How about marrying the father of the child? That is something she could have done long before her pregnancy became obvious to the outside world.
The article stated the diocese received an anonymous letter stating she was unmarried and pregnant. Perhaps, she was trying to hide it till the end of the year. Right or wrong, agree or disagree... Mr. or Miss Anonymous will eventually have to answer for writing the letter and getting her fired. Just my opinion... but that action resulted in her being unemployed. I wonder if this had not been brought to the attention of the diocese.. would the school have allowed her to slide till the end of the year?
How were the kids to know the teacher’s marital status, unless she informed them? All she has to do is use Ms. instead of Miss.
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Exactly. Or why did she not marry the father.
I have no knowledge of this particular case, but perhaps she actually flaunted her state.
As acknowledged by you, Mary and Joseph’s wedding had not yet been consummated, and that while more than an engagement, in Jewish culture, the marriage had not been finalized. If you study scripture, you also know that Joseph considered divorcing Mary because of her pregnancy. It seems you wish to play a game of biblical “gotchya” Certainly not an example of loving one’s neighbor from someone who wishes to spend eternity with Christ.
Didn’t she sign a contract? And I believe this was one of the stipulations which she did not adhere too. If so, she basically fired herself.
I in no way, shape or form would say that abortion is EVER an acceptable option. What I am saying is that legally (not morally) if she wanted to keep her job.. that was an option for her. I am definitely on the fence with this case. She should have married the Father immediately (in a court house) when she found out. Not sure about his involvement.. would he marry her or is that her decision alone?
I am simply wondering aloud about being pro-life. I remember listening to what was then older women discussing Roe v Wade. Many weren’t in favor of it but ALL of them said the reason (they felt) it became legal was because of the stigma of illegitimate births. Back in those days, the boy was slapped on the back for being a man.. the girl labelled a slut. Many removed to a home for “unwed” mothers and if underage.. forced to give the baby up for adoption without ever seeing the child. Babies were openly referred to as “bastards”. The woman of a illegitimate child always remained a “whore”. **Some of the stories I heard were so appalling... that is why these women felt abortion became a “right”.
On the other side of my fence.. would the school have allowed her to remain a teacher after 8 years if she married her boyfriend in a court house? Were they okay with the situation but had to act after the anonymous letter to the diocese? My point is simply stating that the young girls at the school are watching what is going on. Some of them (statistically) will face a pregnancy and unwed. How will they process the firing and their own situation.
I totally agree.
I will check this thread later because if there is a "counter-petition," I sure would like to sign it.
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