Posted on 01/28/2014 7:27:17 PM PST by NKP_Vet
"If a teaching isn’t explicit in the Bible, then we don’t accept it as doctrine!" That belief, commonly known as sola scriptura, was a central component of all I believed as a Protestant. This bedrock Protestant teaching claims that Scripture alone is the sole rule of faith and morals for Christians. Diving deeper into its meaning to defend my Protestant faith against Catholicism about twenty years ago, I found that there was no uniform understanding of this teaching among Protestant pastors and no book I could read to get a better understanding of it.
What role does tradition play? How explicit does something have to be in Scripture before it can be called doctrine? Does Scripture tell us what is absolutely essential for us to believe as Christians? How can we determine the canon using sola scriptura? All these questions and more pointed to the central question: Where is sola scriptura itself taught in the Bible?
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It is an extraordinary thing - beautiful, intricate, layer within layer - Perfect.
I am a programmer (among many other hats). Because of that, I tend toward logic streams and I see patterns and nested patterns readily... I also quickly find kludges and sloppy code - Anti-logic is as apparent as logic, because what anti-logic proclaims always defeats the logic of the program.
The Bible is one of two most magnificent pieces of software I have ever seen (The other being DNA, which any programmer would recognize as 4bit machine code, even if they could never understand it at all). There is *nothing* else that compares in the least way. The most mighty works of man don't even matter by comparison... Don't even merit notice... Not even worthy of existence.
I wish it were so that Christians would study after it - See the patterns - Not just prophecy, the whole thing is that way. ESPECIALLY the beginning of the Book. One cannot understand what software is trying to do by starting 3/4 of the way through the code... All the parameters and variables are defined at the beginning.
Thx for your kind reply.
This was your original question CB
“Was Adam flesh and blood prior to sinning?”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3116855/posts?page=666#666
Again CB, When you fine blood in ADAM, when ADAM was in the GARDEN OF EDEN before the transgression show me?
Must?
Why?
I'll even accept MORMON scripture for THIS answer.
More MORMON 'teachings'??
The rules in the religion area of FR are a bit more, shall we say, genteel, so I'm not allowed to post what I would REALLY like to here.
But, with no blood, your body cannot process FOOD; and therefore...
Would the Mormon DOCTRINE of Blood Atonement work for you?
Would show the WORLD just where the FULLNESS of the GOSPEL is found in the BoM?
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What you showed me was after the fall after they were expelled from the Garden of Eden they had to be escorted out for fear they would eat from Tree of Life.
If they did that they would not been able to procreate there. The Garden of Eden was a spiritual realm
Where they were in GoEden was like waiting to go on stage.
Going on stage is being turn out into the World now Adam and Eve can have children populate the earth.
Gen 3
22 ¶And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:
23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.
1 Cor 15
44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
45 And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit.
46 Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.
47 The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.
48 As is the earthy, such are they also that are earthy: and as is the heavenly, such are they also that are heavenly.
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.
55 O death, where is thy sting? O grave, where is thy victory?
56 The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.
57 But thanks be to God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ.
58 Therefore, my beloved brethren, be ye steadfast, unmoveable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, forasmuch as ye know that your labour is not in vain in the Lord.
I’m going to suggest you not work at apologetics for the Mormon religion. It’s not going well.
LOL over you head that’s all right someday you will understand.
BTW When you fine blood in Adam, when Adam was in the Garden of Eden show me?
I know he had flesh and bone the scriptures says so!
Genesis 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
No, it’s not over my head. It’s simply contrary to the real scripture of the one true God and is to be considered an accursed teaching. It’ made up of fairy tales even containing made up words. It should be an embarrassment to anyone who says they are Mormom. I don’t need to wait for “someday” as the real scripture shows me everything I need to know and it should show anyone who truly wants eternal life as well. You have been shown over and over on multiple topics how wrong the LDS is. You have been warned.
I am retired software designer from an engineering background. I see the same thing. I believe if everyone could see the complexity: how everything fits together wonderfully like a giant puzzle (your DNA analogy;) all would come to Christ.
>>>I wish it were so that Christians would study after it - See the patterns - Not just prophecy, the whole thing is that way. ESPECIALLY the beginning of the Book. One cannot understand what software is trying to do by starting 3/4 of the way through the code... All the parameters and variables are defined at the beginning.<<<
My initial learning pattern was different from yours. I started with the New Testament, for no particular reason. I carried the little Gideon New Testament in my pocket; so the intricacies of the New Testament, like calculus and physics, was "muddy in my mind" before I began to read much of the Old Testament, except for maybe Psalms. Then, as I read the Old Testament, I routinely saw fulfilled prophesies that I might have missed otherwise.
I don't believe my understanding would have been as complete if I had began with the Old Testament, as you suggest. In fact, I think I understand why the house of Israel did not recognize Christ, especially after they killed the prophets and had no one left to explain the prophecies to them. Recall Christ's was not at all happy that they killed the prophets.
But the warnings of Moses were complete, and would have carried Israel all the way up to the latter days: the days of Christ; had they heeded his warnings. So maybe they were just a stiffnecked bunch, as the Lord described; and maybe their destiny was sealed from the days of Horeb, when the Lord was ready to destroy them all and give the covenant to Moses and his seed, as follows:
"And the Lord said unto Moses, I have seen this people, and, behold, it is a stiffnecked people: Now therefore let me alone, that my wrath may wax hot against them [Israel,] and that I may consume them: and I will make of thee [Moses] a great nation. And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand?" (Exo 32:9-11 KJV)
Philip
You have been warned.
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You have every right to your opinion...
but you have no right to threaten me!
ROFL You mean like Mormons who threaten people are going to hell if they aren’t Mormon. Such hypocrisy!
BTW When you fine blood in Adam, when Adam was in the Garden of Eden show me?
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BTW I am still waiting for you to admit you were wrong if you are able too besides taking swipes at me!
Now who is telling Fairy tales!
You could wait till death but what you don’t seem to realize is that I showed you from scripture that Adam had blood when God breathed the breath of life in him which is in the blood. Adam was at that time in the Garden of Eden. So my dear you were shown to be wrong.
6,000,000 is a minimum; use a larger number like 9,000,000 if you prefer. Either is considerably larger than the 250,000 to 1,100,00 estimated Jews killed in the 66-73 war. This does not fit Mark 13:19-20. The 132-135 war was more significant: it did not include “this generation” as defined by preterists and there were 400,000 to 500,000 killed and the Jews began a long dispersion outside the land of Israel, not to regain sovereignty until this past century. The critical point was that the Jewish Christians separated from their brethren according to the flesh when Simon Bar Kochba was apparently declared the Messiah by Rabbi Akiva (Mark 13:21-22 warned them). Many Jewish Christians were persecuted and martyred, both by other Jews during the war, and the Romans afterward. No wonder they were not preterists and he Catholic Church has preserved a different doctrine of eschatology than the schismatic reformed churches. Msgr Charles Pope, of the Archdiocese of Washington, sums it up: “The glorious Messiah’s coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by all Israel” which he explains has not happened yet. His words are like honey, not poison like preterism.
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