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To: PhilipFreneau

6,000,000 is a minimum; use a larger number like 9,000,000 if you prefer. Either is considerably larger than the 250,000 to 1,100,00 estimated Jews killed in the 66-73 war. This does not fit Mark 13:19-20. The 132-135 war was more significant: it did not include “this generation” as defined by preterists and there were 400,000 to 500,000 killed and the Jews began a long dispersion outside the land of Israel, not to regain sovereignty until this past century. The critical point was that the Jewish Christians separated from their brethren according to the flesh when Simon Bar Kochba was apparently declared the Messiah by Rabbi Akiva (Mark 13:21-22 warned them). Many Jewish Christians were persecuted and martyred, both by other Jews during the war, and the Romans afterward. No wonder they were not preterists and he Catholic Church has preserved a different doctrine of eschatology than the schismatic reformed churches. Msgr Charles Pope, of the Archdiocese of Washington, sums it up: “The glorious Messiah’s coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by all Israel” which he explains has not happened yet. His words are like honey, not poison like preterism.


820 posted on 02/06/2014 7:47:50 PM PST by af_vet_1981 (The bus came by and I got on, That's when it all began,)
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To: af_vet_1981

>>>6,000,000 is a minimum; use a larger number like 9,000,000 if you prefer. Either is considerably larger than the 250,000 to 1,100,00 estimated Jews killed in the 66-73 war.<<<

How do you feel about the estimated 60 million killed by the Bolsheviks, and even more killed by the communist Mao?

>>>>This does not fit Mark 13:19-20. The 132-135 war was more significant: it did not include “this generation” as defined by preterists and there were 400,000 to 500,000 killed and the Jews began a long dispersion outside the land of Israel, not to regain sovereignty until this past century.<<<

I am certain you factored in the long, internal civil war of 66-70AD (Jews killing Jews on Jerusalem soil, a defilement in itself,) the long famine, cannibalism, a hail of 100 lb stones raining down at random, and the abominable temple defilements, as factors in determining which is the worst tribulation. Glad to see you have it all figured out.

>>> The critical point was that the Jewish Christians separated from their brethren according to the flesh when Simon Bar Kochba was apparently declared the Messiah by Rabbi Akiva (Mark 13:21-22 warned them).<<<

So did the Jewish Christians in A.D. 70. What is your point? Are you implying “this generation” was in the A.D. 100’s. Were there not a lot of false Christs and false prophets around A.D. 70? I would speculate there were far more at that time since all the Jews were expecting the messiah from the Daniel seventy weeks prophecy. Of course, since the city was leveled, all the trees cut down for miles around, and “Zion” was ploughed like a field, there was little evidence left.

Anyway, I am glad you figured it out. But this is really going to upset the dispensational crowd when they find that all this prophecy has been fulfilled. They are expecting to fly away like Superman shortly before a third of mankind is killed, a third of all the ships in the sea are sunk, a third of all trees are burned up, a third of the waters are contaminated, and all green grass is burnt up. One would think all those Christians would want to stay behind and help. Of course, the word “shortly,” to them, means thousands of years, and there are no prophetic signs, which explains why their most popular pastors are begging for donations and building mega-churches, instead of selling all they have and giving to the poor.

>>>Many Jewish Christians were persecuted and martyred, both by other Jews during the war, and the Romans afterward. No wonder they were not preterists and he Catholic Church has preserved a different doctrine of eschatology than the schismatic reformed churches. <<<

I fail to see your logic. Are you implying the Christians that were killed by the Romans and Jews were killed by preterists? That places the New Testament in an entirely different light. If the early Christians were killed by preterists, then I have to rethink my position on whose blood the blood of the apostles was required.

>>>No wonder they were not preterists and he Catholic Church has preserved a different doctrine of eschatology than the schismatic reformed churches. Msgr Charles Pope, of the Archdiocese of Washington, sums it up: “The glorious Messiah’s coming is suspended at every moment of history until his recognition by all Israel” which he explains has not happened yet. His words are like honey, not poison like preterism.<<<

At least you have made it crystal clear that you are not a Protestant.

My fellow Jews are hopefully going to realize, before it is too late, that the false prophecies of the dual-covenant crowd is the real poison that is leading many away from the glorious realm of the kingdom of Christ and the promise of eternal life. God help them learn the truth.

Philip


824 posted on 02/06/2014 9:53:47 PM PST by PhilipFreneau
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