Posted on 05/12/2013 5:55:26 PM PDT by narses
Full Question
Until recently, I always thought Catholics worshiped on the Sabbath, and that the early Church moved the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Is this true? Answer
This is a common misunderstanding. Catholics do not worship on the Sabbath, which according to Jewish law is the last day of the week (Saturday), when God rested from all the work he had done in creation (Gen. 2:2-3). Catholics worship on the Lord’s Day, the first day of the week (Sunday, the eighth day); the day when God said "Let there be light" (Gen. 1:3); the day when Christ rose from the dead; the day when the Holy Spirit came upon the Apostles (Day of Pentecost). The Catechism of the Catholic Church says: "The Church celebrates the day of Christ’s Resurrection on the ‘eighth day,’ Sunday, which is rightly called the Lord’s Day" (CCC 2191).
The early Church did not move the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. Instead "The Sabbath, which represented the completion of the first creation, has been replaced by Sunday, which recalls the new creation inaugurated by the Resurrection of Christ" (CCC 2190). Sunday is the day Catholics are bound to keep, not Saturday.
We see evidence of this in Scripture:
On the first day of the week when we gathered to break bread, Paul spoke to them because he was going to leave on the next day, and he kept on speaking until midnight (Acts 20:7). On the first day of the week each of you should set aside and save whatever one can afford, so that collections will not be going on when I come (1 Cor. 16:2). Let no one, then, pass judgment on you in matters of food and drink or with regard to a festival or new moon or Sabbath (Col. 2:16). The Catechism also says:
By a tradition handed down from the apostles which took its origin from the very day of Christ’s Resurrection, the Church celebrates the Paschal mystery every seventh day, which day is appropriately called the Lord’s Day or Sunday. The day of Christ’s Resurrection is both the first day of the week, the memorial of the first day of creation, and the "eighth day," on which Christ after his "rest" on the great Sabbath inaugurates the "day that the Lord has made," the "day that knows no evening." (CCC 1166)
Other CCC references to the Lord’s Day: 349, 2174, 2175, 2191
Answered by: Peggy Frye
Some folks reckon time differently...
Well; I used to follow Apollos, until the girls got to him.
Acts 18:26
yea, im not following you. jewish? former jew?
Since your idea of truth make you one of those who places us back into bondage, (Gal, 5:1-4) then that is the best idea you have come up with.
However, according to the implications of your soteriology, one must be circumcised and keep all the law, which is what Acts 15 and other texts counters.
God Himself foretold in the Old Testament when the Sabbath would end, and it ended exactly when He said it would - at the cross. Up until that time Jesus kept the Sabbath because he was fulfilling the Law. The Sabbath ended at the cross. If you knew your Old Testament better you would know where it was prophesied and if you knew your New Testament better you would know how and WHEN it was fulfilled.
In fact He said in Matthew 24:20 about an event many years after His resurrection that the Sabbath was still valid.
You ought to be more careful about what you say the Lord said. He did NOT say "that the Sabbath was still valid". In Luke 21 He gave Christians in the city of Jerusalem instructions to FLEE THE CITY before the Roman armies surrounding the city destroyed it. The reason he instructed them to pray that their flight not be on a Sabbath day is that the Jews who controlled the city up until 70 AD always CLOSED THE GATES OF THE CITY ON THE SABBATH (Nehemiah 13:15-22) in which case the Christians could not get out.
In Matthew 24 that you cite Jesus lists 3 things that would hinder fleeing the city:
*Pregnant or Nursing mothers would be hindered for obvious reasons
*Winter would hinder because of exposure to cold temperatures and possibly snow.
*And closed, locked city gates on the Sabbath day would also obviously hinder their escape.
If you want to read some sort of doctrinal significance into these hindrances to fleeing the city, fine, but a requirement to keep the Sabbath is not even a remotely plausible one.
Cordially,
The feasts were well prior to Torah (literally teaching, not law).
The feasts came immediately after the fall, and are for all time. They are our meeting times with Yehova.
The covenant began with Abraham. Prior to that we were all one people in sin.
Some people don’t read the whole word.
>> “God Himself foretold in the Old Testament when the Sabbath would end” <<
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That is simply a falsehood in perfect inversion of the word.
Ask yourself..........who is Moses speaking to? He is speaking to the Children of the original Israelites who are all now dead [Numbers 14:26-35]. The dead Israelites were the ones who received the Law of Yahweh at Horeb (Sinai) [Exodus, chapters 20 through 24]......(our fathers).
Moses is now explaining the second covenant given to the Isarelites....and he's doing it 40 years later....on the Plains of Moab [Deuteronomy 1:1-5]
The second Covenant includes things like the Levitical Priesthood [Numbers 3:11-13] which was not part of the first....the blessings and the curses which also did not appear until the Law of Moses [Deuteronomy chapter 28]. These two Covenants given to Israel were not the same:
[Deuteronomy 29:1] These are the words of the covenant, which the LORD commanded Moses to make with the children of Israel in the land of Moab, beside the covenant which he made with them in Horeb.
It is lack of knowledge that causes much confusion when discerning scripture. The reason you are not aware of this is because the Church has never taught it. If they were to teach this doctrine then people would logically ask...."Then the Law of Yahweh" ....the Ten Commandments were not part of the "Law of Moses"? And you would then reply......,"Yes, that's correct....and the Law of Moses with its sacrifices and regulations was changed [Hebrews 7:11-12].....but the Law of Yahweh with its fourth commandment....still stands!"
[Hebrews 10:4] For it is not possible that the blood of bulls and of goats should take away sins.
Ping.
No - to both.
Or get my veiled references; either...
How can someone be placed “back under” something they were never under before? If one has never been under, how does one know if it really is a curse as the church teaches?
Can something God says will bring blessing ever be a curse? Would that not in essence be calling God a liar?
Jas 2:17 So also belief, if it does not have works, is in itself dead. 18 But someone might say, “You have belief, and I have works.” Show me your belief without your works, and I shall show you my belief by my works. 19 You believe that Elohim is one. You do well. The demons also believe – and shudder! 20 But do you wish to know, O foolish man, that the belief without the works is dead? 21 Was not Abraham our father declared right by works when he offered Isaac his son on the altar? 22 Do you see that the belief was working with his works, and by the works the belief was perfected? 23 And the Scripture was filled which says, “Abraham believed Elohim, and it was reckoned to him for righteousness.” And he was called, “Elohim’s friend.” 24 You see, then, that a man is declared right by works, and not by belief alone. ... 26 For as the body without the spirit is dead, so also the belief is dead without the works.
What does it mean to be "under the law"? It means to be under the condemnation of the law. We all have been "under" the law. We were born into sin. All have sinned and come short of the Glory of God. So yes, everyone including you has been "under" the law. It is only when one fully commits to Christ one come into Grace.
But now, let me ask you, DOES GOD CLOSE HIS EARS ON THE OTHER DAYS OF THE WEEK IF SOMEONE OFFERS PRAYERS OR HYMNS other than YOUR SABBATH?
If God does not close his ears on other days why are we having this discussion in the first place.
So, Go to your church on Saturday and sit in smug satisfaction that you are doing it “right” by keeping the DAY, and all others are doing it wrong.
I will go to church on Sunday where we will worship the Lord JESUS as Christians have done for the past 2000 years, and not worry about the day.
You know........I been trying to figure out for a long time where people get this strange idea about me. Don't include me in this silliness. Worship any day you want. I don't care.
Just don't tell me that the resurrection was on Sunday when every single Gospel says it was on Saturday. That's my point. The reason people worship on Sunday (in lieu of the Sabbath) is for the wrong reason! That's all....so worship when you want. I don't care!
After spending years examining Jewish writings in the Babylonian Talmud, Hebraist John Lightfoot wrote A Commentary on the New Testament from the Talmud and Hebraica, in which he expounded upon the Hebrew method of counting the days of the week.
Good grief! Doesn't it register with you at all that Lightfoot....a Protestant (1602 A.D./1675 A.D.)....would not accept a Sabbath resurrection and therefore do every thing in his power to make it appear...... not to be the case? The Protestant movement was only a short time removed from the "Fairy Tale" religion of Catholicism during his lifetime and had not yet dissolved themselves of most of its garbage. Still hasn't!
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