" The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success
unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly -
- it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."
Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.
It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.
Electoral Votes:
Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206
Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?
Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.
“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.
In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.
Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.
Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.
Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.
Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.
I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.
My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.
Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .
Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.
In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.
There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.
A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .
*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.
*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.
*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.
*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).
And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—
I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.
One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.
Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:
The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”
Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.
“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.
Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”
As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:
…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .
Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?
Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?
What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?
Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .
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I still do not see any linkage between a Swedish movement of modalism and Mormon's multiple gods. They are as diametrically opposite to me as Islam and Hinduism.
Why is it a “secret” and why is this something “new and shocking”? Christ’s message has been out there for 2000 years
That is fair enough. I believe all of those debating you, Dave, are Trinitarian Christians of various stripes, but still believing in the Godhead in the Divine Trinity as stated through scripture.
Pointing out to you RNmomof7’s tirade (as in the past) against the Reverend Billy Graham. The Reverend has been called by such like as a serpent or worse.
The Bible is simply NOT a human document as if whatever they wrote was out of their own imaginations - holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit. When someone says that, I know they have spent little time seriously studying it. What the writer of "Heaven and Hell" pretends to do is usurp the role and place of the Bible in a Christian's life. If something is said in it that contradicts the Bible, are we supposed to ignore it? You see, God never changes. Jesus is the same yesterday, today and tomorrow therefore there is nothing God left out of his revelation that must rely on some man 2000 years later to come out with.
It is a very serious thing to claim to be a Prophet of the LORD. In fact, in the Old Testament times, if a man declared he was a prophet of God, the Lord told his people a simple way to tell if he was telling the truth. If what he said God told him would happen actually happened AND he did not try to lead them away from God to worship idols, then he was a genuine prophet BUT...and here's the tickler...EVERYTHING he said must come to pass. Not a hit or miss, got a few things right but messed up on another. If that happened, God said, the man was a false prophet and he was to be put to death. God took prophecy seriously and he expected his people to as well.
So, here you have some writings from someone who proclaims to be a prophet of the Lord even saying his writings are a "Third Testament" containing "Heavenly Doctrines". Well, the proof is in the pudding as the saying goes. First, EVERYTHING it foretells MUST come to pass. How's he doing so far? Joseph Smith has bombed more than a few times. Second, is there anything in this document that contradicts the other Scriptures? If it does, then it is false - no question. Thirdly, and this is critical because it was how we know that the books that make up the Bible ARE meant to be there, does the Body of Christ recognize them as from God? That's how we know what belonged in the Old and New Testaments. I have several links to give you if you are interested that explain the process quite well. Let me know.
So, again, thanks but no thanks. I do not have a "closed mind" just one that has assurance that God honors his promises. He said that he is a rewarder of those who diligently seek him and he would be found if we search for him with all our hearts. I did, and he did. Have a good night.
I thought it interesting that the only non answer to my question came from a Mormon. Just blah, blah, blah, blather, blather, blather, obfuscation.
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Don’t worry, you’ll get used to it. Mormons are known for their victim mentality and obfuscation.
Sandy plays that part real well, IMO.
Sandy, why not just answer the question rather than avoid it? Do you know your husband’s ‘new name’? He knows yours, right?
Yes, one of many from Thomas Jefferson. If you notice, I preface that section as being from him. I speaks to me of living our faith so that, by our actions, the lost can be won to the Lord. Having a faith that is a living faith that produces fruit that honors God.
Why, how, can people who can think fall for this??? The only answer I can come up with is SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS. No other answer works for me.
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I can only speak for myself. First, I was a teenager, hormonal and dating a Mormon who promised to marry me in the temple ‘for eternity’ (for a young girl in love that is romantic).
However, I didn’t join for him. I took the missionary discussions for him, but really believed what they taught. I had no idea (why would I) that they were only telling me the TINIEST portion of what they really believed, and were lying to me, twisting words, misleading me and twisting scripture.
I wasn’t a Christian then, I THOUGHT I was but I was a ‘cultural Christian’, I wore a cross but it didn’t mean anything. I didn’t know my Bible and I hadn’t even heard about Salvation by Grace through faith.
I was raised to be self-sufficient by my grandparents and the idea of working to earn salvation, of ‘doing my part’, was appealing, it made me feel like I could earn it and be ‘worthy’ by my works. I loved the organization and the ‘checklist’ of things to do to get to the CK and become a goddess. I prayed about the Book of Mormon and had a ‘testimony’
I wasn’t stupid, I went to college at 16 and was on Dean’s list with a 4.0 and already knew 3 languages. But I WAS naive and I was young.
I LOVED being Mormon, everything is so set, you are spoon-fed doctrine and not encouraged to think. My problems started when I thought (again being naive) that I could defend Mormonism from ‘antis’ intellectually and logically.
Like Sandra and some others, I was told (and believed) that ‘antis’ were only in it for the money (like she posted upthread), that they were lying, taking things out of context, making things up, etc. It was only when a Christian challenged me about LDS doctrine, made me mad enough to prove him wrong, that I found out that it was the LDS church that was lying to me and that no matter how I felt about Mormonism, it could not be defended intellectually or logically. I literally THOUGHT myself out of Mormonism.
The other part, and it is a big part, is spiritual blindness. I THOUGHT I knew Christ. I THOUGHT I was ‘saved’ (after all I could do). But it wasn’t until God BROKE me, with the fall of my Mormon faith, that I could really HEAR the gospel of Grace, and accept His sacrifice for my sins on the cross and stop trying to work my way to heaven like the LDS teach.
Years later, I found out that some good friends from my (at that point) church in CA, used to go to church with the bookstore owner before he moved to Provo and that they were praying for me when I was still LDS, even though they had no idea who I was. That was a powerful realization.
People fall for it, because as Paul wrote it ‘tickles the ears’, because they are lied to, because they are brainwashed as members, because they are intellectually lazy, and mostly because they are not saved - they are spiritually blind.
Keep praying for them, they need it.
Ping to Sandy b/c I mentioned her by name.
Mrs. Elsie LOL I do enjoy our goat discussions, your hubby is a hoot....can I encourage him just a little? Signed sincerely yours Goat Granny....
Well; either HE did or the guys who wrote all that stuff down did.
I can see NO other explanation for Dave's statement.
Indeed; for in the beginning...
People would rather be praised into Hell than rebuked into Heaven.
Then why don't you?
Not from Scripture, you can't; but only from reading stuff you place in HIGHER authority than Scripture.
There is a place waiting for those who advocate things such are you are doing.
Millstones are said to be quite heavy.
I was fooled!
. Get Heaven and Hell and just read it with an open mind.
Nope; I'll read the BIBLE with the Spirit's hand guiding me; thanks anyway.
Try doing the same with the BIBLE!!
Maybe; but the only reason Dave would like to know, is so that he can find something, ANYthing, to pounce on to put YOU on the defensive.
Homey don't play dat; and neither does Elsie.
If what I'm saying here on FR can't be understood withOUT "knowing where I'm coming from" then I am not being very clear in my writing.
Tirade?
All I saw was a statement.
No doubt data will be provided to back it up if one would ask.
You'll be SORRY!
--MormonDude(That elise fellow(?) has more personalities than Dunham or Sybil!)
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