Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.
It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.
Electoral Votes:
Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206
Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?
Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.
“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.
In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.
Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.
Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.
Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.
Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.
I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.
My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.
Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .
Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.
In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.
There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.
A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .
*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.
*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.
*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.
*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).
And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—
I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.
One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.
Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:
The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”
Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.
“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.
Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”
As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:
…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .
Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?
Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?
What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?
Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .
Written by Dustin Naef - MessageToEagle.com Contributor
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lol
//And yet Jesus is referred to as King of Kings and Lord of Lords - kinda messes up your eisengensis of those passages from John.//
Truth is a pesky thing...
He is not one of legions sent here to lead sheep astray, his religious beliefs were dragged out of him by our questions.
He, like Saundra are free to believe whatever they wish, and are free to accept the eternal consequnces of those decisions.
We have shown them both the truth, but where swedenborgians and mormons differ is in the aggressive recruiting tactics, which we are duty bound to counter.
Dave has not been recruiting here. He is not part of an organization which covets political control over our lives. He has not lied to us or covered up truth or history as far as I can see.
Dave I hope you see the light.
I understand Swedenborgians desire to affiliate with the Mormons, they ARE linked. The mormons #1 recruiting tool is the ripped off "plan of salvation". Problem is the mormons are more successful so swedenborgians want to ride their coattails a bit, in the same way that mormons want to ride the coattails of Christianity.
That is what happens when a smart guy delves into the occult and occultic practices like astrial projection.
I certainly agree that they are free to believe whatever they wish, but I am duty bound to counter the errors in the teachings that they purport with the truth of God’s word.
I don’t see them as part of a conspiracy designed to lead others astray. They sincerely believe they are right and are sharing what they believe to be truth.
It’s not their motives I have issues with, but rather the deceptiveness of the teachings they adhere to. It’s those teachings which are designed to lead people astray. And it’s those teachings I will contrast with the truth from Scripture.
I do Dave. All of it. It was his pattern in all things.
Smith never once mentioned Swedenborgianism, nor have any FLDS/LDS leaders since then. Virtually 100% of the Mormons have never heard of it, other than the famous gay-marriage performing church in San Francisco. which they loathe.
He swiped it, didn't give Swedenborg the credit, and claimed it came from "gods".
I'm glad Dave told us why he was defending mormonism, will be interesting to watch Saundra shun him now.
It's actually a really good story, "Haaven and Hell"....Like Dante's "Inferno".
The fact is though it's all in the bible. All of it. This new book is EXCELLENT and SHOCKING in pointing out precisely what is written in the Bible about who we are, why we're here, and where we're going.
But how ELSE will I get people to come and pose for my game cameras??
How so?
Galatians 1:6-9
No Other Gospel
6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse! 10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.
GThen have another NDE. Perhaps an 'angel' will tell you and you can inform the rest of us.
Perhaps in time for Festivus!
but the ‘spirits’ are suppose to come and help one’s transition.
However, it is unscriptural - not surprising given swedenborg’s occultic practices and actions. Accordingly, his doctrines follow those of demons.
Which one is that?
SURELY not affiliated with ...
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/news/52486958-78/mayne-gay-lds-ward.html.csp
Sounds like that snake got a job at NPR because that's the same way they talk over there.
Sounds like that snake got a job at NPR because that's the same way they talk over there.
Wouldn't that make God a liar? How could you ever rely on God to be true if his word constantly changes?
In other words, if the Mormon Church was established so it's writings could always change, wouldn't that make them the Bill Clinton of religions?
I picked up my Bible this morning, stuck my thumb near the back and came up with this:
Luke 7:31 And the Lord said, "To what then shall I liken the men of this generation, and what are they like? 32 They are like children sitting in the marketplace and calling to one another, saying: 'We played the flute for you, And you did not dance; We mourned to you, And you did not weep.' 33 For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine, and you say, 'He has a demon.' 34 The Son of Man has come eating and drinking, and you say, 'Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!' 35 But wisdom is justified by all her children."
Peace.
We have the Word of God where GOD HIMSELF has revealed Himself to us,
Well said.
This also comes to mind.
1 John 4:1, 2 Corinthians 11:14
The Swedenborgian movement is not to be confused with the Mormon’s smorgasbord movement, which is a buffet of gods and goddesses.
Cults of a feather...
Know that they will shun you and keep you from speaking to members and friends. Try not to take it personally. You'll be anathema to them as the FLDS are.
You are right about about the FLDS/LDS/Swedenborgian link, but the leaders have kept this a secret and consider it apostasy to speak to you about secrets.
You can hang with we Non-Denom Christians here anytime though. : )
Tell me Dave, have you read "The Divine Secret" Check it out and tell me what you think. It is non-denominational and 100% out of the bible. The author even uses different versions, KJV and NIV in spots so folks can't claim there is some kind of hidden agenda. Kovaks, the Author also wrote the excellent "Shocked by the Bible".
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