Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.
It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.
Electoral Votes:
Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206
Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?
Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.
“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.
In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.
Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.
Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.
Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.
Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.
I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.
My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.
Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .
Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.
In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.
There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.
A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .
*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.
*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.
*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.
*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).
And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—
I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.
One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.
Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:
The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”
Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.
“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.
Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”
As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:
…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .
Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?
Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?
What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?
Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .
Written by Dustin Naef - MessageToEagle.com Contributor
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#FAIL - Its legal name is The General Church Of The New Jerusalem or the New Church
What is your source? look up Swedenborg and New Church in Wikipedia and as questions. You are wasting my time with 'opinions'. My beliefs you have no idea of. You have never heard my confession of faith.
the Rev. Billy Graham does not act like that. He entertained Mitt Romney and Glenn Beck, at different times, in his home. He supped with them. He discussed issues with them. He did not condemn them to hell.
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Yes just imagine...
94 and hes still preaching the Gospel to the lost abnd dying and on their way to Hell...
You dont know what he said to those unsaved heathens...
but from his lifetime of boldly proclaiming the truth Im sure out of pity and love for them, he DID tell them that they were on their way to Hell...
anything else wpould be out of charactor for a man who has told the truth about God all his adult life...
I hope they adhere to what he told them and repent of their sinners and get born again before they die...
anything less would have been unloving and unkind...the Romneys and Beck have a right to know thast they are in dire need of the Savior Jesus Christ..
Remember the LORD Jersus Christ supped with the publicans and prostitutes and greedy rich men and other sinners also...
The LORD Jesus Christ discuss the issues of the sinners need of salvation just like Dr Graham did to Willard and Ann and Glenn...
Yes indeed to have had them to his house would have been to tell them how to escape that road to Hell thart they are on...
Ya notice that Willard never did ENDORSE Willard...
He told us to follow the Bible...
Billy knows that Willard doesnt beliueve in the Bible...
Willards religious book is not the Christian Bible...
Willards religious book i8s a badly written ficticious novel called the book of Mormon...
Biolly never mentioned the book of Mormon...
Billy knows that Mormonism is a cult and that the book of mormon is straight out of Hell..
Billy said The Bible...
Billy knows that Willard does not believe the Bible...
For years the Mormons in thease threads have said ugly things about Billy Graham...
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claiming hes a liar and a racist and wrong etc...
Suddenly now hes alright with you ???
are you sure he has credibility now ???
What will you say when he puts that statement back up on his website ???
You know the one...
The one he has had there for YEARS...
the one where he says MORMONISM IS A CULT
You go Billy
all the Mormons will say AMEN...
Id thank God for an opportunity to share the truth of Jesus Christ and Him crucified and Id pray with them and lead them to the Lord and get them saved...
What would you do ???
Let them die in their sins and go to Hell ???
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actually he did condemn the self righteous snobs who were content in their only petty phony humility...
He never condemned the little people like me.
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actually he did condemn the self righteous snobs who were content in their only petty phony humility...
Acts 4:12 And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
Jesus is God Incarnate, not some demonic half-brother of Satan (Lucifer).
John 10:30 30 I and the Father are one.”
John 14:8-9 8 Philip said to him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is enough for us.” 9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and you still do not know me, Philip? Whoever has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Galatians 1:6-9 6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. 9 As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed.
I am not your judge. I have no power or authority to judge you and determine your fate. God is the only one who can do that and tells us what to do to avoid perishing, and that it to believe in Jesus, the REAL one, the one of Scripture, virgin born, God Incarnate, who died to give us the gift of eternal life without having to earn it by works.
Give up the false Jesus of Mormonism. He can't save you. Neither can Joseph Smith, nor your husband.
Only Jesus for ....... "there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”
I wouldn't give a rip about it.
I oppose Romney because he's a liberal, abortion supporting, homosexual marriage endorsing, Romneycare creating, gun grabbing, Taxachusetts, lying socialist. I opposed him because of his record, not because of his religion.
Mormons need to get over their own victim mentality and quit trying to make martyrs of themselves when there's no justification for it.
It's no different that all the minorities who claim we're opposed to obama because he's black. His skin color has nothing to do with my lack of support for him. His politics and ideology do.
“I am studying the New Testament. Jesus tells many parables to help us get along better with each other and in life. He came down on the Pharisees for being snooty and creepy. He never condemned the little people like me.”
He condemned all false teachers - big or little. He didn’t distinguish.
Nice to see you here Saundra. I was under the impression you had threatened to leave multiple times and did leave...?
Yeah, I hear ya. Still, we KNEW what Obama was -- a radical, America-hating Islamic -- and then we had Romney, claiming to have changed (and lots of interviews with that change featured). So to me it was well worth the gamble. He actually did a pretty good job explaining why he had to govern like he did in MA; it satisfied me enough to vote for him.
See, I don't have a problem with people who opposed Romney for the reason you cited. You weren't convinced. Okay.
But to oppose him on the religion, and be glad he lost, so that a Mormon is not in the Presidency....?
Insane.
Yeah, I hear ya. Still, we KNEW what Obama was -- a radical, America-hating Islamic -- and then we had Romney, claiming to have changed (and lots of interviews with that change featured). So to me it was well worth the gamble. He actually did a pretty good job explaining why he had to govern like he did in MA; it satisfied me enough to vote for him.
See, I don't have a problem with people who opposed Romney for the reason you cited. You weren't convinced. Okay.
But to oppose him on the religion, and be glad he lost, so that a Mormon is not in the Presidency....?
Insane.
No difference!
Lazamataz is right. I don't often respond to these Anti-Mormonism threats because the posters are seriously unbalanced.
It's odd these posters frequent these Anti-Mormonism posts, or are the originators of them, but I don't see them with such frequency or fervor discussing really deadly threats such as Islam or discussing the horrific erosion of the culture due to atheism and paganism.
Now, I'll regret posting here because in less than a minute my ping list will be filled to the brim with posts from people I don't respect.
And...NO I AM NOT MORMON.
You are commenting on a uhmmmm...wait for it....A religion forum.
No one asked you to come here so any pain you feel is sadomasochistic. Self inflicted.
There ain’t no anger here from what I can tell except the angry people who don’t care for what is being discussed.
Funny you frame this as Character Assassination of people dedicated to God. Which God?
You won’t be talked down to or suffer condescencion? You want to join in adult games you take yer licks.
This election was in fact lost on the basis of “truth or falsity”. That is, Mutt Romney couldn’t be trusted with truth on where he stands and he falsely claimed at various time to one thing and at other time another. Then to cap it off he suffered from no vision and thusly he had no plan that was discernible.
His Piesta Resistance? He was clearly not one bit different than Barrack Hussein Obama. I mean there wasn’t any daylights difference between the two.
So you and everyone else needs to get over themselves. Mutt lost because he was a dog with fleas that won’t hunt.
Prcoclaimed ourselves as Popes? Well, we are Inman’s and we don’t profess to lead others around by a ring in their nose.
And Yea, this is just our personal opinion.
God is as we understand Him - not how you regulate Him? Is there a definition of God and his characteristics? His history?
One more thing:
The very next time I see those clean cut and wholesome looking boys riding their bikes in my neighborhood, I am going to invite them in for lunch or dinner. I want to hear from them what they **really** believe because the fruits of the lives of the few Mormons I know very casually doesn’t match up with the hateful venom posted here.
What’s “Inman’s”? Not in my dictionary.
Interesting, indeed. Where as most people understand Joseph Smith to be a con man, a thief, a liar, a pedophile, an adulator, a charlatan, a traitor, destroyer, murderer.......(need I go on?)
I am intrigued that you are quoting from the Bible when mormonISM teaches the Bible is not translated correctly.
Now why would you do that?
But.. After the primaries Romney was the better candidate than the Marxist Obama.
However....I trust that God will give our nation what it needs. Sometimes that means pain and suffering. Perhaps Obama and his policies and the **inevitable** outcome will bring this nation to repentance more quickly. I surely to pray that this is so.
ah, Jesus said there was one way.
You have never heard my confession of faith.
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Youre a bit confused kid
Im not your father confessor
Im not your savior
I will never have to hear anything from you...
and anyway up to now it seems an unlikely event, given the unBiblical beliefs you hold...
and it appears from what you have written that the One Who does matter, God, has never heard from you either...
Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see,,,.And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to Him must believe that He exists and that He rewards those who earnestly seek Him. Hebrews 11:1, 6
“For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life. John 3:16
The Good News of the Gospel is for everyone. Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. Mark 16:15b-16
what does it say? “The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart,” that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is by believing in your heart that you are made right with God, and it is by confessing with your mouth that you are saved. Romans 10:8-10
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