Posted on 11/10/2012 7:59:09 AM PST by Colofornian
MessageToEagle.com - Normally, as a matter of personal preference I don’t get into politics, but when we have a presidential campaign that begins to cross over into the strange twilight zone of religious weirdness that centers on the one person who’s going to control the most powerful government and army on the face of the earth, well, it brings up some unusual scenarios to wonder about.
It is being reported in the media today that former presidential candidate Mitt Romney only wrote a victory speech for Election Day; presumably a harried, last minute scramble to revise his speech was being suggested as the reason behind the Romney-Ryan campaigns’ sluggish reluctance to concede their party’s unthinkable defeat.
Electoral Votes:
Barack Obama: 303 Mitt Romney: 206
Curiously, one has to wonder whether it was Romney’s obsession with polls and tracking data that lead to this overextension of hubris; his unshakable faith that he would be the next president of the United States—or could it have been Romney’s Mormon faith itself that lead him to believe victory was all but assured by some divine mandate?
Ascending to the office of the presidency has always been a coveted part of the mission of the Mormon Church, which began with its founder Joseph Smith, who as a young man experienced a close encounter with a being from another planet named Moroni, who descended from the heavens and instructed Smith to found a new religion (as seen on History Channel’s Ancient Aliens, S3E01)—today, in Ufology, such a happenstance would likely be classified as a contactee CE5 level event.
“I saw a pillar of light . . . which descended gradually until it fell upon me” – Joseph Smith.
In 1844 Joseph Smith, an apparent UFO contactee and the founder of the Mormon Church, brazenly launched his own political campaign for President of the United States. His stated goal was to overthrow the U.S. Constitution, and bring about a Mormon theocracy to the Nation.
Smith’s candidacy was always long shot, but that didn’t stop him from rallying his people to help clinch his destiny to be an independent commander in chief of the “army of God”.
Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not bow to his demands that “they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.” He foresaw the emergence of “the one Mighty and Strong”—a leader who would “set in order the house of God”.
Smith’s call for a “theodemocracy where God and his people hold the power to conduct the affairs of men in righteous matters” evidently did not sit well with the majority of voters in the United States, and brought down a lot of bad press and hostility upon the Mormons. Smith’s presidential campaign was cut short while he was sitting in jail facing charges of treason and inciting a riot; an angry mob broke into the jailhouse and brought him to justice by shooting him to death.
Out of this early chapter of U.S. history developed what has became known in the Mormon Church as the “White Horse Prophecy”—a controversial prediction that someday a great Mormon leader, who, at a time when the U.S. Constitution “hangs like a thread as fine as a silk fiber”, would be elected President.
I know a little bit about Mormonism and their beliefs. I grew up and lived in Salt Lake City most all my life, I sat through many days of LDS seminary at public schools, and I also attended a private Mormon school as a teenager.
My family has roots in the Mormon pioneer heritage and early history. My ancestors, the Neff’s, came to the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, from Lancaster County, Pennsylvania. My great-great-great-grandfather John Neff, Sr. settled Neff’s canyon in East Millcreek, Utah. He was also a close friend of Brigham Young and accompanied him into Northern Utah to proselyte amongst the Native Americans there. His daughter, Mary Ann Neff, married the notorious Mormon gunslinger and Utah folkhero Orrin Porter Rockwell.
Orrin Porter Rockwell was one scary-looking son of a bitch . . .
Rockwell served as a loyal henchman to Church founders Joseph Smith Jr. and Brigham Young—and was affectionately nick-named ‘Ol’ Port’ the ‘Destroying Angel of Mormondom’.
In his despicable and sordid history, Ol’ Port was intimately connected to political assassinations, revenge-killings, and gruesome Indian massacres. He’s praised for having avenged the Prophet Joseph Smith’s murder by shooting one of the conspirators with his musket while riding astride a horse.
There have been a few failed attempts in various movies and books to elevate the psychopath to the status of a gritty American hero of the old west —fortunately, none of them have really stuck.
A few of the many curious tenants of Mormonism I heard growing up in Salt Lake City were as follows . . .
*Cain, the killer of his brother Abel, is alive and wanders the earth, wearing no clothing but being covered by hair, and that LDS Church apostle David W. Patten encountered him once; and that reported sightings of Bigfoot can be explained by this story.
*Blacks were neutral in the War in Heaven, and that is why they were not allowed to hold the Mormon priesthood before 1978.
*Albert Einstein supposedly once said that LDS Church apostle James E. Talmage was the smartest man he had ever met.
*The Second Coming was imminent, and when I was age 25 I would be living in the “Last Days” (I’m in my 40’s now).
And here’s where Mitt Romney’s presidential candidacy enters the picture—
I remember my 7th grade LDS seminary teacher sermonizing about the “signs” of the ‘Last Days’.
One of his favorite ‘signs’ that he liked to talk about was that a great Mormon leader would be elected President of the United States, and this would be a major indication that the Last Days were imminent, e.g. the White Horse Prophecy.
Some say that the White Horse Prophecy was written by Joseph Smith himself, while others dispute that claim. According to the Salt Lake City Tribune:
The disputed prophecy was recorded in a diary entry of a Mormon who had heard the tale from two men who were with Joseph Smith in Nauvoo, Ill. when he supposedly declared the prophecy. “You will see the Constitution of the United States almost destroyed,” the diary entry quotes Smith as saying. “It will hang like a thread as fine as a silk fiber.”
Not only will the Mormons save the Constitution, under the prediction, but the prophecy goes further, insinuating that Mormons will control the government.
“Power will be given to the White Horse to rebuke the nations afar off, and you obey it, for the laws go forth from Zion,” the prophecy says.
Publicly, the Mormon Church doesn’t officially endorse the ‘White Horse Prophecy’ as doctrine, and will deny anything to do with it (just as Romney has whenever it’s been brought up)—however, there’s a telling piece of Mormon dogma that people may find disturbing. It was set in place by Joseph Smith himself, and is referred to as “lying for the Lord.”
As an act of self preservation or to protect the Mormon Church, it is doctrinally permissive to lie about your beliefs or intentions. In other words the ends justify the means. Smith did it with regard to his polygamous lifestyle. Brigham Young did it when he claimed that only Paiute Indians were responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.
Over and over again, Mitt Romney marginalized his devout Mormon background, and downplayed its significance throughout his entire campaign. But in the 1970’s the ‘Cougar Club’ at Brigham Young University declared their admiration of Mitt and predicted that he’d be the president of the United States one day. According to an article on Salon.com:
…the Cougar Club — the all male, all white social club at Brigham Young University in Salt Lake City (blacks were excluded from full membership in the Mormon church until 1978) — was humming with talk that its president, Mitt Romney, would become the first Mormon president of the United States. “If not Mitt, then who?” was the ubiquitous slogan within the elite organization. The pious world of BYU was expected to spawn the man who would lead the Mormons into the White House and fulfill the prophecies of the church’s founder, Joseph Smith Jr., which Romney has avidly sought to realize.
With all this in mind, it’s hard not to look back and wonder . . .
Could Mitt Romney have been intending to run the United States as a Mormon theocratic state, as fortold by his Church’s prophet Joseph Smith?
Would a President Romney have executed the will of the people of the United States, and answered to the people—or would he only answer to God via the hierarchy of the Mormon Church?
What if a “revelation” or “vision” was received by the current President of the LDS Church (or Prophet), and passed on to ‘President Romney’ as a directive from God?–would Romney have executed that directive, even if it had gone against the will of the U.S. people, or the World?
Thankfully, this is probably one mystery we’ll never know the answer to . . .
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Mine wasn't; how 'bout the rest of you guys?
Yeah; of the "Wanna buy a toothbrush?" variety!
What you REALLY mean is you are displeased that Obama won.
It could have been ANYONE other than Romney winning; and you'd have been happy.
Am I right?
Methinks you misunderstood the reaction last night. I've posted with these various FReepers for years and don't see any of them as being of such fragile character as being easily offended or threatened.
We defend the truth here at FR, the truth as found in the Word of God, the Bible. We're WARNING you that you are not in agreement or alignment with that truth.
Everyone is on their own spiritual path and has in freedom come to realize their own truths regarding God in their lifetimes.
That SOUNDS all nice and tolerant but is general and vague enough as to be meaningless.
There is only one way, and that is Jesus, and there is only one source of truth and that is Scripture, which is the same truth for ALL because it comes from God who IS truth, and He doesn't change.
In the New Church, we are free to follow our own spiritual paths and can accept or reject anything we want to.
Spiritually dangerous ground to be on. You cannot reject the truth of Scripture, which, BTW, I see virtually NO mention of. It's all about Swedenborg's teachings and visions and *the New Church*.
You are following a false teaching. If it doesn't line up with Scripture, it's from the devil. You are on very dangerous ground spiritually and that is not because I *feel threatened*, but it's a warning to you to take heed, for your own good. The fact that this teaching led you to the point of thinking yourself to be the messiah attests to that.
Ehhhh, you’re back.
How you been?
Can you possibly be that ignorant of Scripture?
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.
Mitt’s loss means a pile of RINOs and holier-than-thou types stayed home and didn’t bother to vote. Also anti Mormons and anti MormonISM folk.
Besides, I believe the vote was rigged. It doesn’t matter who votes; what matters is who counts the votes. Democrat secretaries of state could, by the push of a button, screw up the entire vote count. Statisticians can do it, too - just by a little tweek here and little tweek there.
Our country has gone to the dogs. And your constant harping against Mormons and our faith does not help, especially when the Rev. Billy Graham has shown a higher way to go.
I’m a Mormon woman and I haven’t a clue on earth what the anti Mormons/anti MormonISM folk on this site are talking about. Like Catholics, women do not hold the Priesthood in our Church. I have no desire to hold the Priesthood - too much work and responsibility. I have enough to do to work and fulfill my callings. By the way, there is no paid clergy in my Church.
My son bought one of their books that claimed Mormons are cultists. You can buy one, too, and hundreds of anti Mormon/anti MormonISM literature, etc. But the fact remains that Jesus died for Mormons, too. My son sees by my life that I am not a member of a cult. In fact, the very idea makes me laugh.
If you want to be a Priest, you can join the Anglican or Episcopalian Church. You can even be a gay or lesbian clergy in other churches. Whatever. Makes no difference to me. Remember, we Mormons stood side-by-side with Evangelicals and Catholics and Jews to protest abortion and gay marriage. It kind of hurt a little after we helped pass Prop 8 in CA when some of the other so-called Christians turned on us.
This morning in my Ward, a newly married couple gave talks. We take turns and no one gets paid. No passing of the plate! We tithe, yes, and I have no idea why that makes some people so darn mad; they see red!
We love our Savior Jesus Christ. He suffered and died for us all.
I have no idea why the anti Mormons on this site invest so much time and effort in trashing my Church. Oh, yes, I do; many of them depend on anti Mormon business - books, tapes, DVDs, speaking engagements, etc., to make their living.
There is no excluded middle. The choices (the realistic ones) for President were Romney and Obama.
You are happy Romney lost. That does not leave much wiggle room.
You gettin’ no younger!.....................Now that hurt to the core....but I am just plain cheap...:O)
You keep showing a very HIGH respect for what Graham has said about the cults, including Mormonism...
So...do you ... or don't you...highly respect what the Graham Evangelistic Asso Web site said FOR YEARS about the cult of Mormonism?
We defend the truth here at FR, the truth as found in the Word of God, the Bible. We're WARNING you that you are not in agreement or alignment with that truth.
Have you proclaimed yourselves a Popes and in charge what everyone thinks?? What are you threatening me with? Hell? For following the Ten Commandments? I have news: Luther exaggerated. His logic flawed. He didn't speak 'truth. - what he spoke was heresy.
There is only one way, and that is Jesus, and there is only one source of truth and that is Scripture, which is the same truth for ALL because it comes from God who IS truth, and He doesn't change.
Again, my belief is there is ONE God of heaven and earth who is Father, Son and Holy Spirit: Jesus Christ. Three 'persons' is not Scriptural. You need to quote me verses for the rest or I'll just have to assume that's a personal opinion.
Spiritually dangerous ground to be on. You cannot reject the truth of Scripture, which, BTW, I see virtually NO mention of. It's all about Swedenborg's teachings and visions and *the New Church*.
I quoted Scripture 3 times. Have your eyes checked.
You are following a false teaching.
Right-o, mom.
FR is and will remain a pro-God, pro-life, pro-family site. - Jim Robinson
it says pro-GOD - as we understand Him - not how you regulate Him!
To fail to answer is to answer only-too-well.
I stipulate that your hatred of Mormonism is so strong that you would rather burn down America than see a Mormon in the Presidency, concluded from the admission you made that you were happy the Mormon, Romney, is not the President.
It doesn't say 'one truth', it says 'No one'
Hmmm.........
Blowing me in to the boss and the RM for what..... exactly?
I mentioned them both (JR’s quote and the forum rules) in my post. Courtesy ping.
Anyone not as extremist-left as Obama, yes.
But that is not the reality of the situation we faced. We had Romney and Obama as the only serious contenders for the Presidency. While I am not a Mormon, do not believe their tenets, and find much of it quite odd... it is nowhere as threatening to me as Communism, Islam, the destruction of Israel, the destruction of the Second Amendment, and etcetera.
You have stated you are happy the Mormon, Romney, did not win.
I feel -- given that you are a participant on a conservative forum -- that this is an indication that you need therapy on the issue of Mormonism. That you hate it more than the results of another Obama term, shows a deepseated problem.
It is akin to a KKK member who, watching his house burn down, stops the firefighters from fighting the fire.... because a few of the crew are black men.
That is all I have to say on the issue. Best of luck in your recovery.
Wow! Luckily metmom is not our final Judge! I don’t much like mere human beings going around condemning folks to hell.
Remember, the Rev. Billy Graham does not act like that. He entertained Mitt Romney and Glenn Beck, at different times, in his home. He supped with them. He discussed issues with them. He did not condemn them to hell.
I think the anti Mormons/anti MormonISM folk on this site would do well to tone down their condemning voices.
I am studying the New Testament. Jesus tells many parables to help us get along better with each other and in life. He came down on the Pharisees for being snooty and creepy. He never condemned the little people like me.
Your New Age beliefs have nothing to do with Christianity...
or is it Universalism ???
How would these posters react, if they were in a car wreck and learned that some of the EMTs, ER staff, the surgical team and trauma surgeons were Mormon.
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