It's a cult

Concord Monitor ^ | October 28, 2011 | Barbara Elms

[delacoert]

I like Mitt Romney and believe he could be a fine president under different circumstances. As a born-again Christian, I cannot vote for him. As Dr. Robert Jeffress, pastor of a large Baptist church in Dallas, said, Mormonism is not just another denomination; it is a cult.

Jeffress is a fine man. I have watched him on television for many years, even though I am not a Baptist.

A few years ago, I purchased books, magazines and DVDs from Lamb and Lion Ministries. Two DVDs concerned cults. The largest and most well-known is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

The Jesus of the cults is not the Jesus of our Holy Bible. Their Jesus was conceived by God who once was a man and became God by being good. This god had sex with Mary so came Jesus. God has a wife, therefore, a Mother God and Father God. They had many other children. Jesus and Lucifer are brothers.

Mormons believe if they are good enough they can become a god, and have their own planet. The Mormon church never has a cross outside, or inside, because you don't honor a murder weapon. Our Jesus gave up His life and shed His blood on the cross so that we might be saved. They take communion with bread and water; they hate the blood. Mormons don't get to go into the big Temples very often. They mainly go to be baptized for people who died years ago so that they could go to heaven. Mormons must not drink coffee or tea, and be married for life to go into the big Temple. They have three Heavens.

[patriot preacher]

I don’t like Mitt Romney much, though I think he would be better (only slightly and marginally) than Barack Hussein Obama.

It isn’t the fact that he’s a Mormon that bothers me the most. Sure, I’m a Baptist, and I believe the Mormons are NOT a valid form of Christianity, but are aberrant, unbiblical in many of their practices and doctrines, and are in many ways cultic. But the Mormons are NOT violent as a religion. They are not given to “brainwashing,” to kidnapping, to other kinds of desperate or drastic “cultish” behaviors. In fact, Mormons are generally very patriotic, very Conservative Americans. It fascinates me that a number of the most prominent Mormons, like Harry Reid, John Huntsman and Mitt Romney, are actually much more Liberal than most of their fellow Mormon co-religionists. But, I digress.

We are not electing a national Pastor. We do not have a Federal Church (see the 1st Amendment), and the President in no way should serve as our national priest or confessor. He should be a moral man, an ethical man — one who knows right from wrong. This, to me, does not exclude a Mormon automatically — though it could exclude Mitt Romney specifically.

Remember that Thomas Jefferson, our 3rd President, was not a Christian, but a Deist. And the wife of John Adams, Abigail, voiced and wrote of her reservations in the election of her husbands good friend and political rival to the Presidency based on the fact that he was not a believer in Jesus Christ. Ironically, John and Abigail Adams themselves were NOT “orthodox Christians,” but Unitarians, rejecting the Trinity, and the Deity of Jesus Christ, at least as traditional Christians understand and believe it!

Be slow to throw Mitt under the bus simply because he’s Mormon. Besides, there are so many OTHER good reasons NOT to vote for him that come first. But if it’s a choice between him and Obama, really — Mitt isn’t a Marxist. He won’t stop us from crashing, but perhaps he’ll slow the rate at which we hit the ground.

[Raider Sam]

Dont Christians spend money sending out missionaries across the earth to tell people of other religions that their faith is wrong?

[livius]

I don’t care about the underwear and the cork submarines and the other nutty Mormon beliefs. It’s simply that Mormonism is very statist because it is, like Islam, a theocratic system. And it treats women like garbage, not to mention the fact that racism was built into its very essence until its presiding bishop had a “vision” telling him this was politically not a good move.

[KDD]

“Difference of opinion is advantageous in religion. The several sects perform the office of a common censor over each other. Is uniformity attainable? Millions of innocent men, women and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced an inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support roguery and error all over the earth.” —Thomas Jefferson Notes on Virginia. 1782

“Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.”
-letter to Danbury Baptist Association, CT “The Complete Jefferson” by Saul K. Padover, pp 518-519

Article VI, paragraph 3
U.S. Constitution

Works for me.

[delacoert]

What is the difference between a religion and a cult? When I think of cults I think of Jonestown or the Manson Family or the Moonies. What is it that makes mormonism like these groups?

It’s just not that hard.

Feigning the delicate sensitivities of popular elitism and culture is not meritorious comportment, it’s just revolting.

You can look up a word like cult in a good old fashioned dictionary like Webster's or Oxford American, and gosh and by golly you can find a definition that applies.

Ex. cult … 3) a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents

If you are Christian (no that doesn't include Mormonism, it's a cult), American, and educated it just isn’t that hard to see.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***I have heard of their Special underwear, what is so special about them? Anyone?***

Google images. “Mormon magic undwerwear”.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***I wouldnt vote for Romney even if he wasnt a Mormon..***

Ah a woman after my own heart! (With a razor!) ;-D

[Revolting cat!]

I have heard of their Special underwear, what is so special about them?

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

****“What does any of this bullshit have to do with his qualifications to be president?****

Do you really think that the MSM, which is still in Obama’s pocket, will let romney’s mormonism slide? They will be all over his case like flies on the substance you mentioned.

Magic underwear.
talismans.
Polygmany.
Adam and Eve in Missouri.
Noah floating the ark down the Mississippi.
Follower of a con man Joseph Smith.

And this is just the small stuff! Obama will get a pass on everything but you can bet every weird belief of Mormonism will be exposed by the MSM as never before.

Other that all this Romney is just too darned Yankee Liberal for me. The only difference I see between him and and the unlamented Ted Kennedy is the (R) after his name.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Did anyone talk about Mitt’s dad, George Romney, and Mormonism, when he was a candidate for president in the 1968 primaries?***

I believe it was Jean Dixon, back about that time who prophecied that George Romney would be elected President in 1968.

[annieokie]

Hahahahahaha.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Thank you TeePee for being honest...***

Just wondering...back when the Piute Wavoka, who was raised by a Mormon rancher, began to have his visions of the return of Jesus when J. Smith said he would return in 1890.

His visions swept the Indian tribes, and they began to make Ghost Shirts to protect them from the white man’s bullets.

I wonder if they got this idea from the magic underewear of the Mormons.

Anyone know?

[Zionist Conspirator]

Bigotry on display. My religion is better than your religion.

Isn't the whole point of having a religion the idea that it is the true one and that all others are false?

[delacoert]

... aberrant, unbiblical in many of their practices and doctrines, and are in many ways cultic.

Uh huh. <bored grunt of agreement>

Someone having something approaching the courage of those convictions couldn't escapable the conclusion that Romney, being thoroughly indoctrinated in the bizarre believes of Mormonism, cannot be counted as even having rudimentary good judgement and couldn't possibly be equipped with the requisite judgement to be the President of the United States.

I read words such those you have written as the lowest form of rationalization for letting one's vote go in limp-wristed capitulation to selecting the least worst of somehow inevitable candiates.

I have no respect for it.

If the Republican Party can't muster a conservative candidate of good repute and judgement, then I'm not part of it.

I can find someone to cast my vote for that I would be proud to see as President even if I have to write it in.

The vote of a citizen of good conscience is much more precious than a vote for the least worst.

[RaceBannon]

If a flip floppin abortion fan and gun control fan doesn’t scare you, then his racist religion ought to

Especially as you call youself a Baptist, this man has ZERO Holy Spirit living within him, his personal beliefs are that YOU are a cultist and followign a false doctrine and that only HE will go to heaven

[Elsie]

I like Mitt Romney and believe he could be a fine president under different circumstances. As a born-again Christian...

Too bad that Babs is not in this thread; as I, for one, would REALLY like to know just what those 'circumstances' might be!

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(THIS born-again Christian is curious...)

[Elsie]

MONSON would NOT recommend this link.

[Elsie]

Bigotry on display.

Ignorance on display.

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KJV

Galatians 1:6-9

6. I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7. Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
8. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
9. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

ANYBODY???

Like this fine looking fellow???

2 Corinthians 11:12-15

12. But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we.
13. For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14. And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15. Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.

Like THESE guys??

http://scriptures.lds.org/en/js_h/1/19#19

17 It no sooner appeared than I found myself delivered from the enemy which held me bound. When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and glory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

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Ephesians 2:1-2

1. And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

[Elsie]

Why should we have to assume that all religions are equally good, effective, useful, etc.?

'Cause I say so!!!

[Elsie]

I don’t find Mormons threatening in any way.

And we thank you for your support!

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Questions put to Joseph Smith: "'Do you believe the Bible?' [Smith:]'If we do, we are the only people under heaven that does, for there are none of the religious sects of the day that do'. When asked 'Will everybody be damned, but Mormons'? [Smith replied] 'Yes, and a great portion of them, unless they repent, and work righteousness." (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 119).

Joseph Smith: "for the teachers of religion of the different sects understood the same passages of scripture so differently as to destroy all confidence in settling the question by an appeal to the Bible" (from Pearl of Great Price 1:12). "What is it that inspires professors of Christianity generally with a hope of salvation? It is that smooth, sophisticated influence of the devil, by which he deceives the whole world" (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p.270).

 

 

Brigham Young stated this repeatedly: "When the light came to me I saw that all the so-called Christian world was grovelling in darkness" (Journal of Discourses  5:73); "The Christian world, so-called, are heathens as to the knowledge of the salvation of God" (Journal of Discourses  8:171); "With a regard to true theology, a more ignorant people never lived than the present so-called Christian world" (Journal of Discourses  8:199); "And who is there that acknowledges [God's] hand? ...You may wander east, west, north, and south, and you cannot find it in any church or government on the earth, except the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.24); "Should you ask why we differ from other Christians, as they are called, it is simply because they are not Christians as the New Testament defines Christianity" (Journal of Discourses  10:230).

Orson Pratt proclaimed: "Both Catholics and Protestants are nothing less than the 'whore of Babylon' whom the Lord denounces by the mouth of John the Revelator as having corrupted all the earth by their fornications and wickedness. Any person who shall be so corrupt as to receive a holy ordinance of the Gospel from the ministers of any of these apostate churches will be sent down to hell with them, unless they repent" (The Seer, p. 255).

 

 

Pratt also said: "This great apostasy commenced about the close of the first century of the Christian era, and it has been waxing worse and worse from then until now" (Journal of Discourses , vol.18, p.44) and: "But as there has been no Christian Church on the earth for a great many centuries past, until the present century, the people have lost sight of the pattern that God has given according to which the Christian Church should be established, and they have denominated a great variety of people Christian Churches, because they profess to be ...But there has been a long apostasy, during which the nations have been cursed with apostate churches in great abundance" (Journal of Discourses , 18:172).

 

President John Taylor stated: "Christianity...is a perfect pack of nonsense...the devil could not invent a better engine to spread his work than the Christianity of the nineteenth century." (Journal of Discourses , vol. 6, p.167); "Where shall we look for the true order or authority of God? It cannot be found in any nation of Christendom." (Journal of Discourses , 10:127).

James Talmage said: "A self-suggesting interpretation of history indicates that there has been a great departure from the way of salvation as laid down by the Savior, a universal apostasy from the Church of Christ". (A Study of the Articles of Faith, p.182).

 

 

President Joseph Fielding Smith said: "Doctrines were corrupted, authority lost, and a false order of religion took the place of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as it had been the case in former dispensations, and the people were left in spiritual darkness." (Doctrines of Salvation, p.266). "For hundreds of years the world was wrapped in a veil of spiritual darkness, until there was not one fundamental truth belonging to the place of salvation ...Joseph Smith declared that in the year 1820 the Lord revealed to him that all the 'Christian' churches were in error, teaching for commandments the doctrines of men" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, p.282).

 

 

More recent statements by apostle Bruce McConkie are also very clear: "Apostasy was universal...And this darkness still prevails except among those who have come to a knowledge of the restored gospel" (Doctrines of Salvation, vol 3, p.265); "Thus the signs of the times include the prevailing apostate darkness in the sects of Christendom and in the religious world in general" (The Millennial Messiah, p.403); "a perverted Christianity holds sway among the so-called Christians of apostate Christendom" (Mormon Doctrine, p.132); "virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ whom they vainly suppose to be a spirit essence who is incorporeal uncreated, immaterial and three-in-one with the Father and Holy Spirit" (Mormon Doctrine, p.269); "Gnosticism is one of the great pagan philosophies which antedated Christ and the Christian Era and which was later commingled with pure Christianity to form the apostate religion that has prevailed in the world since the early days of that era." (Mormon Doctrine, p.316).

President George Q. Cannon said: "After the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints was organized, there were only two churches upon the earth. They were known respectively as the Church of the Lamb of God and Babylon. The various organizations which are called churches throughout Christendom, though differing in their creeds and organizations, have one common origin. They all belong to Babylon" (Gospel Truth, p.324).

 

 

President Wilford Woodruff stated: "the Gospel of modern Christendom shuts up the Lord, and stops all communication with Him. I want nothing to do with such a Gospel, I would rather prefer the Gospel of the dark ages, so called" (Journal of Discourses , vol. 2, p.196).