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I don’t like Mitt Romney much, though I think he would be better (only slightly and marginally) than Barack Hussein Obama.

It isn’t the fact that he’s a Mormon that bothers me the most. Sure, I’m a Baptist, and I believe the Mormons are NOT a valid form of Christianity, but are aberrant, unbiblical in many of their practices and doctrines, and are in many ways cultic. But the Mormons are NOT violent as a religion. They are not given to “brainwashing,” to kidnapping, to other kinds of desperate or drastic “cultish” behaviors. In fact, Mormons are generally very patriotic, very Conservative Americans. It fascinates me that a number of the most prominent Mormons, like Harry Reid, John Huntsman and Mitt Romney, are actually much more Liberal than most of their fellow Mormon co-religionists. But, I digress.

We are not electing a national Pastor. We do not have a Federal Church (see the 1st Amendment), and the President in no way should serve as our national priest or confessor. He should be a moral man, an ethical man — one who knows right from wrong. This, to me, does not exclude a Mormon automatically — though it could exclude Mitt Romney specifically.

Remember that Thomas Jefferson, our 3rd President, was not a Christian, but a Deist. And the wife of John Adams, Abigail, voiced and wrote of her reservations in the election of her husbands good friend and political rival to the Presidency based on the fact that he was not a believer in Jesus Christ. Ironically, John and Abigail Adams themselves were NOT “orthodox Christians,” but Unitarians, rejecting the Trinity, and the Deity of Jesus Christ, at least as traditional Christians understand and believe it!

Be slow to throw Mitt under the bus simply because he’s Mormon. Besides, there are so many OTHER good reasons NOT to vote for him that come first. But if it’s a choice between him and Obama, really — Mitt isn’t a Marxist. He won’t stop us from crashing, but perhaps he’ll slow the rate at which we hit the ground.

... aberrant, unbiblical in many of their practices and doctrines, and are in many ways cultic.

Uh huh. <bored grunt of agreement>

Someone having something approaching the courage of those convictions couldn't escapable the conclusion that Romney, being thoroughly indoctrinated in the bizarre believes of Mormonism, cannot be counted as even having rudimentary good judgement and couldn't possibly be equipped with the requisite judgement to be the President of the United States.

I read words such those you have written as the lowest form of rationalization for letting one's vote go in limp-wristed capitulation to selecting the least worst of somehow inevitable candiates.

I have no respect for it.

If the Republican Party can't muster a conservative candidate of good repute and judgement, then I'm not part of it.

I can find someone to cast my vote for that I would be proud to see as President even if I have to write it in.

The vote of a citizen of good conscience is much more precious than a vote for the least worst.

If a flip floppin abortion fan and gun control fan doesn’t scare you, then his racist religion ought to

Especially as you call youself a Baptist, this man has ZERO Holy Spirit living within him, his personal beliefs are that YOU are a cultist and followign a false doctrine and that only HE will go to heaven

It isn’t the fact that he’s a Mormon that bothers me the most. Sure, I’m a Baptist, and I believe the Mormons are NOT a valid form of Christianity, but are aberrant, unbiblical in many of their practices and doctrines, and are in many ways cultic. But the Mormons are NOT violent as a religion. They are not given to “brainwashing,” to kidnapping, to other kinds of desperate or drastic “cultish” behaviors. In fact, Mormons are generally very patriotic, very Conservative Americans. It fascinates me that a number of the most prominent Mormons, like Harry Reid, John Huntsman and Mitt Romney, are actually much more Liberal than most of their fellow Mormon co-religionists. But, I digress. We are not electing a national Pastor. We do not have a Federal Church (see the 1st Amendment), and the President in no way should serve as our national priest or confessor.

How often in the last 4+ yrs have I seen the "we are not electing a national Pastor" mantra? (Way too often) What's worse is to see professing Christians utter it.

Well, I've seen it often enough to write the following in the past; which I repeat:

Question at hand: Are we voting for a 'pastor-in-chief' or commander-in-chief?
Principle involved: This question addresses not only the role and identity of the POTUS, but the perceived 'self' identity of the candidate. If a given candidate thinks he's a 'god' or 'would-be' god, he exposes himself as deceived on one of the most basic elemental identity issues you can think of.

If a candidate doesn't even know who he is fundamentally, how do we know similar distortions won't effect his judgment? Besides, if he inwardly lauds himself as 'divine,' why would we want to reinforce such an idolater who steals glory from the One True God?

A Related Question, but from a distinct angle: Is a POTUS a 'minister' of sorts?

Apparently, Patriot Preacher might say 'no.'

I say 'yes,' and here's why:

Even non-religious people tend to at times honor the Bible. The Biblical record shows that true successful leadership in public office is done by those who fear the TRUE Lord -- not by some low-level Mormon god who is part of a great number of Mormon gods...

And these Biblical leaders did not -- or were not to -- worship false gods/idols. The OT is replete w/ such examples. The Israelites had secular kings, not "pastors in chief." But that didn't mean that these kings' ministrations were any less a "ministry." Romans 13 makes it clear that public office is also a "ministry." Those who contend against this are openly militating against this Scripture.

It doesn't mean that public officeholders administrate in a parochial way; it just means that public office is a "ministry of service" like the soup kitchen down the street.

History (biblical & otherwise) shows that the more pagan or counterfeit god that a leader adheres to, the more trouble that leader's "exhaust" settles on the people-at-large. Kings & presidents need all the grace, mercy, & guidance possible, since God gets more credit for preserving & directing leaders than we care to give Him credit for. Therefore, one who worships a false god & has no true relationship w/the living God is stifling access to God's resources; & a nation may suffer for that.

He won’t stop us from crashing, but perhaps he’ll slow the rate at which we hit the ground.

Chicken!

I say let's smash at full force if we are going to throw away what our ancestors fought and DIED for!

Mitt isn’t a Marxist. He won’t stop us from crashing, but perhaps he’ll slow the rate at which we hit the ground.

If we crash with Mitt and we most surely would, republicans would forever have the blame laid at their door for what Obama set in motion. No, better to have a full blown communist Obama bear the blame forever and perhaps take the democrat/socialist/communist party down with him. Romney/Obama is Socialist light or socialist. I will never vote for either of them.

I'm Baptist too friend and I will never vote for a candidate who is a cultist and help validate that "religion" all over the world. There are dozens of reasons to not vote for Romney and for me, his cultism is right at the top. Anybody gullible enough to swallow Mormonism is not presidential material.

The lesser of two evils? I'm hard pressed to tell which is the lesser and even if I could, evil is evil, no matter how you cut it.

By the way, I'd not vote for a republican ticket, no matter which spot Mitt was in on it and I am in good company.

I’m not voting for any ticket that has Romney top or bottom. Will happily support any combination of Bachmann, Cain, Perry, Palin, Gingrich, Santorum, Rubio, Ryan, Walker, DeMint, et al, that does not hook up with Romney.

FUMR!! NO MORE RINOS!!

631 posted on 10/15/2011 7:28:20 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)