Mormon Hypocrisy

13 October 2011 | Gamecock

[Gamecock]

I subscribe to a Mormon apologetic Newsletter titled FAIR (Foundation for Apologetic Information and Research).

Normally it falls into my junk email account and I don't even open it, but today I had a few minutes and scanned the latest offering and was stunned to see the hypocrisy of the authors. Please note the entire email is posted below.

This particular issue has a great deal of whining about those mean Christians who make the spurious claim that Mormons are not Christians, but are a cult.

A couple of examples:

-"Mormons are a cult" epithets into the national spotlight. In his "On Faith" commentary this week, Church Public Affairs managing director Michael Otterson suggests why people make such claims and shares his own experience of being labeled not Christian.

Calling Mormonism a cult is old hat, and the voters are yawning.

-Texas Gov. Rick Perry's minister ally Robert Jeffress might think Mitt Romney's church is a cult, but a new documentary on the presidency and Mormonism suggests that Romney could snag the nation's top job despite the religious feud between Christians.

-....the "cult" of Mormonism means that you raise a solid family, work hard, make money and do good for the greater community of mankind, then by all means pass the Kool-Aid.

-It seems just too petty and small for a country as big as America to have. America, as a melting pot of many cultures and many beliefs, is supposed to be more tolerant of differences.

-Another woman in Texas remembers that her LDS congregation was banned from participating in a community-wide Christmas event and that non-Church members once barged into Sunday meetings shouting that Mormons were cult members and devil worshippers.

The reader will note, when comparing the above quotes with the below article, that the quotes originate from the MSM. Why would the MSM, a known enemy of Christianity, care if Christians consider Mormons a cult or not? I suggest that these quotes are really more of an attack on Christianity than some deep concern for Mormons. Notice how when Mormons talk family values the press fawns over them. When Christians do the same we are are intolerant of other lifestyles.

That being said, consider the above quotes. Christians who deny Mormons mainstream status are bigoted, intolerant, etc. But ask your self this: are Mormons not intolerant when they make the following claim: that Joseph Smith unearthed a book of golden plates from a New York hillside in 1827 with the help of an angel and translated hieroglyphics that detailed the true Christian faith.

So Mormons don't want to be Christians, but rather the "true Christian faith." Isn't that just a bit intolerant?

I suspect what is really going on here is that in reality the MSM sees Romney as a palatable Republican. They don't really care about Mormons, but are afraid of Cain and Perry.

Take a few minutes and scan the below and see what other nuggets jump out at you. There are more than a couple.

[Elsie]

Even I know that, but you need to inform the evangelicals that passed around his literature while praising his great wisdom and holiness.

If (when?) they show up on FR, we will.

[Elsie]

Once that happens, any nice things they have said about Mormonism will go right into the memory hole ...

---

 

 

Eerily familiar...

 

 

Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.

 

16. Ministry Of Truth

.......

The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.

The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.

The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.

Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.

When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.

In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.

In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.

There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.

And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.

 

 

[Elsie]

Courtesy PING to Elsie, the keeper of the pic

Not QUITE chisled, but that's a mere detail...

---

[Elsie]

Greek Gentile christianity has ruled ever since, utilizing Paul's Greek writings to obscure and misdirect Jesus' Words and his original teachings.

John 6:28-29 (niv)

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one he has sent.”

[Campion]

In what way is Mormonism different from Christianity in general that Catholicism isn't different from Protestantism?

• Mormons believe that "God" was once a man who achieved "godhood" by obedience to the Mormon gospel. Neither Christians, nor Jews, nor Muslims believe anything like that. They all agree, against Mormonism, that God is uncreated and pre-exists all things.
• Mormons believe that Mormon men can become "gods" the same way their "God" did. Again, neither Christians, nor Jews, nor Muslims believe anything like this. Orthodox and Catholic Christians believe in something called theosis, which means that in heaven we are perfectly united to the One God, not that we become "gods" ourselves.
• Mormons believe that the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are "united in purpose", not in essence, which means they are three distinct "gods," which makes Mormonism essentially polytheistic. Again, neither Christians, nor Jews, nor Muslims believe anything like this.

There are many other examples.

[alnick]

For one, Jesus never labeled himself a 'christian'. His disciples never labeled themselves as 'christians'.

Well, since he is the "Christ" in "Christian," I am not suprised that Jesus himself did not label himself that way, since a Christian is a follower of Christ.

As for the disciples:

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

[svcw]

Certainly you are.
If you support Cain then would go to Romney in a heart beat, you are choosing between a conservative and liberal.
It is that simple.
The two men are diametrically opposed.
How on earth can you switch from one to the other as though they are nearly the same.

[Tennessee Nana]

LDS ‘testimonies’ often start out with “I know the Church is true”.
__________________________________________

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

The so called “church” is made up of men, right ???

Well when the Mormons tossed out the Christian Bible out went this verse...

Let God be true and every man a liar ...Romans 3:4

As a Christian my testimony is “I know God is True”

Jesus said to the Mormons, “I AM the Truth, the Life and the Way. No man or woman comes to the Father except by Me.” John 14:6

[aMorePerfectUnion]

“We have more to fear from the scum that oozed out of Skull & Bones than whatever shenanigans are going on in the Mormon Temple in Salt Lake City. “

Unless you are one of the deceived, set on a path to eternal hell. In that case, you would have more to fear from eternal loss than anything temporary.

Because of this, I am not voting for a RINO who is also a mormon. Both temporary and eternal consequences.

We each follow our own conscience.

[greyfoxx39]

When was the last time the Mormons made statements disparaging any Christian faith or committing acts against any Christian faith?

I personally have sat in the pew and heard local leaders condemn Christianity, claiming that it came from a poisoned tree...in particular, I remember a "talk" on the evils of the "Mariology" of the Catholic church.

I heard many times that "anyone with a DROP of negro blood should never be allowed to enter the temple, and laudatory stories of some temple worker who "had a feeling and refused entry to a couple" only to find out later that the man was 1/32nd negro.

Mormons will have to wait a few years until all of those who are witnesses to the present day anti-Christian mormon church have died, in order to whitewash the brand completely.

[Belteshazzar]

brent13a:
“31ad to 69ce - establishment of James and the Jerusalem church and the original disciples there. The first assemblies of believers in Jesus’ Way happen there.”

Who do you mean when you say “the original disciples”?

[colorcountry]

I personally have sat in the pew and heard local leaders condemn Christianity, claiming that it came from a poisoned tree...in particular, I remember a "talk" on the evils of the "Mariology" of the Catholic church.

I heard many times that "anyone with a DROP of negro blood should never be allowed to enter the temple, and laudatory stories of some temple worker who "had a feeling and refused entry to a couple" only to find out later that the man was 1/32nd negro.

I too have heard these lessons in Mormon Church services, mostly Sunday School.

[Belteshazzar]

Thanks, Elsie. Good reminders - specific, concrete, sourced - of what the foundation of Mormonism is. So much of this is either unknown or forgotten today. I mentioned some of these things to a lady about a week ago, she looked at me as if I couldn’t possibly be right. I didn’t argue with her. I just encouraged her to go and look up the facts for herself. I hope she does.

[dragonblustar]

All those Laminites and not one clay pot left behind? How do the Mormon’s explain this?

Were the Laminites the first and last eco friendly tribe to never leave a trace of their existence?

[dragonblustar]

http://www.bookofmormontours.com/

Oh my word...That's too funny. And deeply disturbing too!

One thing I'd have to say, if Romney were to ever get the GOP nomination, the Mormons would be hammered because the left would go after them full force. The only reason they can get away with that kind of non-sense is that there's no pay off for the media to expose them.

[Belteshazzar]

“One thing I’d have to say, if Romney were to ever get the GOP nomination, the Mormons would be hammered because the left would go after them full force.”

Don’t be too sure of that. Does the left go after jihadist muslims full force? Does it seem put off by the creep of Sharia into western society?

[greyfoxx39]

The foundation of the Protestant church was the beginning of a great heresy which continues to this day.

The Catholic Church is an ongoing nightmare of corruption, pagan ritual and kowtowing to an imperfect human agent.

Those two statements sound pretty "anti-Christian to me.

At least some folks believe one or both of these statements.

Yeah, and these "folks" call themselves mormons.

It seems that only people that are aggressively anti-Mormon are evangelical Protestants

Let's see a source for this claim.

[dragonblustar]

Don’t be too sure of that. Does the left go after jihadist muslims full force? Does it seem put off by the creep of Sharia into western society?

How many muslims are in the GOP? The left goes after anything GOP to make sure their brand, "democrat party", stays on top. If there was a popular muslim in the GOP, watch the media trip over themselves to attack him and his religion.

[greyfoxx39]

Many words in this post #11 by you. Many straw men set up in defense of mormonism. Many criticisms of Christians, especially Evangelicals.

Might as well just openly support Romney for the nomination.

[svcw]

Show me ONE post that bashes mormons. Just one.
Put up the info, or retract the statement.