Mark 400th Anniversary of King James Version by Studying Bible [Mormon]

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• Mark 400th Anniversary of King James Version by Studying Bible

“It is not by chance or coincidence that we have the Bible today,” says Elder M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. He explains that the Bible exists because of the obedience of righteous individuals who followed promptings to record sacred experiences and teachings, as well as the faith and courage of others who later sacrificed much to “protect and preserve” the Bible. Credit is also due, he says, to men such as John Wycliffe, William Tyndale, and Johannes Gutenberg, who translated and published the Bible in languages that ordinary people could understand and read. “I believe even the scholars of King James had spiritual promptings in their translation work,” he says.

Knowing the Scriptures

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Read messages about the scriptures that today’s prophets and apostles have given during general conference.

• “The Blessing of Scripture,” Elder D. Todd Christofferson
• “‘My Words . . . Never Cease,’” Elder Jeffrey R. Holland
• “Scriptural Witnesses,” Elder Russell M. Nelson
• “Holy Scriptures: The Power of God unto Our Salvation,” Elder Robert D. Hales

May 2, 2011, marks the 400th anniversary of the first publication of the King James Version of the Bible. Throughout the world, people of many religious and nonreligious backgrounds are already commemorating the publication of the Bible with symposia, celebrations, concerts, speaking competitions, and more. Members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles suggest another way to mark the occasion: by developing a love for the Bible as we study the life and ministry of the Savior and the words of the ancient prophets and apostles.

“How grateful we should be for the Holy Bible,” Elder Ballard says. “I love the Bible, its teachings, its lessons, and its spirit. . . . I love the perspective and peace that come from reading the Bible.”

Elder Jeffrey R. Holland of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles agrees. “We love and revere the Bible,” he says. “It is always identified first in our canon, our ‘standard works.’” He reminds us that the Restoration came about because Joseph Smith studied the Bible and exerted faith in the promise made in James 1:5 that God will answer our prayers.

Recalling the events of history that paved the way for the Restoration, Elder Robert D. Hales of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles speaks with gratitude for all who made possible the translation and publishing of the Bible. Because of their work, the King James Version of the Bible was available for anyone to read—and because it was available to young Joseph Smith, the true Church was restored to the earth. “Is it any wonder that the King James Version is the approved English Bible of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints today?” Elder Hales asks.

“We must ever remember the countless martyrs who knew of [the Bible’s] power and who gave their lives that we may be able to find within its words the eternal happiness and the peace of our Heavenly Father’s kingdom,” Elder Ballard says.

President Boyd K. Packer, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, shares a story about viewing a centuries-old family Bible and finding a quote on the title page that said, “The fairest Impression of the Bible is to have it well printed on the Reader’s heart.” He follows with this scripture (2 Cor. 3:2-3): “Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in the tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart.”

The best way for us to honor and remember those whose sacrifices not only allow us to read the Bible in our language, but also to enjoy the blessings of the Restoration of the gospel, is for us to know the Bible and its accompanying scriptural texts. By knowing and loving its teachings, we show our appreciation.

“Consider the magnitude of our blessing to have the Holy Bible and some 900 additional pages of scripture,” says Elder D. Todd Christofferson. “May we feast continuously on the words of Christ that will tell us all things we should do.”

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The Bible and the Book of Mormon

As separate testaments of Jesus Christ, the Bible and the Book of Mormon support rather than supplant each other. Elder Russell M. Nelson explains, “Scriptural witnesses authenticate each other. This concept was explained long ago when a prophet wrote that the Book of Mormon was ‘written for the intent that ye may believe [the Bible]; and if ye believe [the Bible] ye will believe [the Book of Mormon] also.’ Each book refers to the other. Each book stands as evidence that God lives and speaks to His children by revelation to His prophets.”

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The King James Bible and the Restoration

Religious scholars presented LDS perspectives at a Brigham Young University symposium, The King James Bible and the Restoration, in February 2011.

[Godzilla]

The “Biblical” Jesus and the “LDS” Jesus are one and the same and President Hinckly agreed.

Lets take this one step further orem. You call yourself a "fellow believer", yet Hinkley made it clear that the mormon jesus was different from the Jesus of Christianity - again refering to those outside of the mormon church. Since by the word of your prophet we have a different Jesus, then we do not share a common faith in Jesus and therefore you and your fellow mormons are not 'fellow believers' by any stretch of the imagination.

[Godzilla]

Are you capable of defining this Jesus that is in common between mormonism and Jesus?

Are the ontologies the same

Is the salvation provided the same

Is the atonement the same

Are the natures the same

Just some hints for you orem. You want to play the ‘fellow believer’ card - I’m calling you on it. Show me where your Jesus is the same as mine.

[Godzilla]

You'll need much more straw if you want to play properly.

But with this much straw there has to be a pony here somewhere!

[svcw]

Well, I don't know how you may have physical relations, I know what these people are talking about. To make it easier for you I am going to bold out the key phrases.

To refresh your memory:

Bruce McConkie, in perhaps the most explicit denial of the virgin birth, wrote, “Christ was begotten by an immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” (Mormon Doctrine, 1966, p. 547)

From lds.org: There is no doubt that the idea of physical relations between God and Mary has been clearly advocated in the Church by such authorities as Brigham Young [1], Orson Pratt [2], Heber C. Kimball [3], Joseph F. Smith, [4], Joseph Fielding Smith [5], James E. Talmage [6], Melvin J. Ballard [7], J. Reuben Clark [8], Bruce R. McConkie [9], and Ezra Taft Benson [10]. Mormons believe that Christ was literally the Son of God in the flesh, and he was conceived in a natural, physical way according to eternal law.

“Christ Not Begotten of Holy Ghost... Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!” (Doctrines of Salvation, Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954, 1:18).

“These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers.” (Mormon Doctrine, 1979, pages 546-47)

[william clark]

Not trying to pile on, but as you've been very invested in this thread, maybe you'll be willing to answer a question I posted on another thread yesterday, to which I've received no response. I'll repost the full context:

You now, in all the years I’ve studied Mormon history and theology, there’s one very simple yet fundamental question that’s never occured to me until now (insert Homer Simpson moment here). I would genuinely like to hear the response of an LDS member to the following:

I know that many “plain and precious things” are believed by LDS to have been lost from the Bible prior to the establishment of your church. Since D&C/Pearl of Great Price are regarded as new revelations and/or supplemental historical material, then what “plain and precious things” were restored within the Book of Mormon if it does contain the “fullness of the gospel”?

[Graybeard58]

If you're going to spend time discussing the LDS religion, you should find out what we believe instead of continuing to spread misinformation.

Clear evidence from Mormon sources prove everything that has been said by the "Inmans" on this thread, people I might add, many of whom lived as dedicated Mormons for many, many years, evidence that you continue to deny. How is it misinformation? Show me, I may believe too, if you can prove from the word of God, whatever point it is that you are trying to make.

Nobody here hates you, regardless of what you believe, I dare say there are people here who are praying for you. Repent now, for you are certainly on the road to perdition now.

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

***Well, ya got me! I’m an Islamormchristohinddist!! ****

You sound more like what Bea Arthur called Mel Brooks in THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD Part I.

[reaganaut]

Your list of “differences” simply displays a profound lack of understanding of what we LDS really believe. If you’re going to spend time discussing the LDS religion, you should find out what we believe instead of continuing to spread misinformation.

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SVCW’s summary of the LDS Christ vs. the Biblical Christ is correct. Want me to give sources from your leaders to verify them?

[reaganaut]

The excuse used for the LDS not using the JST (or only a few verses) is that he did not complete it.

The reality is (but most Mormons would rather repeat the pat answer than actually RESEARCH it) is that Smith DID complete it, but Emma Smith (not BY) had the copyright so the SLC branch could not use the JST in full. However, that is no longer an issue as it is now in public domain.

The reason they have not now adopted it (like the RLDS/CoC) is that Biblical Scholarship has proven that Smiths translations are completely incorrect and fraudulent.

FWIW, I know A LOT about Mormonism and have researched it more than most LDS members.

[reaganaut]

Name an incorrect translation of the Bible.

BTW, I’ve been down that road, I am also fluent in Biblical Greek and Hebrew.

[Elsie]

BTTT

[reaganaut]

lds teach that their god had physical sex with Mary IE created

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And also that he is our ‘elder brother’ and the ‘firstborn’ of the spirit children which means he was a created being as just another one of the spirit children that Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother had.

Want sources?

[reaganaut]

lds teach that their god had physical sex with Mary IE created

No we don’t. Absolutely not.

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YES THEY DO. Want sources from your leaders?

[reaganaut]

Because scvw quotes them, but then goes on the “explain” them to say things that they definitely do not say.

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SVCW’s analysis of LDS AoF is absolutely in line with LDS teaching and belief. It was what I was taught and believed as Mormon and several others here will admit to it as well.

We “Flying Inmans” are well versed in LDS history and theology so the question becomes...do you have no idea what your church teaches or are you just ‘lying for the Lord’?

LDS Jesus had to earn his Godhood.

LDS God was once a man (and a sinner)

LDS ‘salvation’ (exaltation) is based upon works (being worthy member, callings, temple ordinances, tithing, baptism, etc). Christian salvation is based upon grace through faith in Christ’s sacrifice on the cross.

LDS teach we can become Gods ourselves.

LDS teach that God had sex with Mary

LDS teach that the Bible is corrupt.

LDS believe in a different Christ than Christians (according to Gordon B. Hinkley)

You can keep going all you want, we can source all of that from LDS sources. However, if you really have no idea what the LDS church teaches or its history, than stick around - you will learn and perhaps join other freepers who have found the true Christ of the Bible and left Mormonism because of these threads.

[reaganaut]

I love it when LDS think they know more than their prophets.

[DustyMoment]

You sound more like what Bea Arthur called Mel Brooks in THE HISTORY OF THE WORLD Part I.

It's been awhile - remind me.

[DustyMoment]

Care to describe what YOU consider the "real gospel of Jesus Christ"?

The King James version is known to be fraught with errors, misinterpretations and incorrect translations of Aramaic, rewriting parts the way King James thought they should be, removing some books and adding in others, and flat out making stuff up to coincide with his version of Jesus' life.

That's why it call it celebrating 400 years of fiction. He muddied the water by "guilding a lily", if you will, and obscuring the truth about our Lord and Savior.

[svcw]

THX 1138

[reaganaut]

Why can’t you be happy for fellow believers?

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Because LDS are not ‘fellow believers’. They are not our brothers and sisters in Christ, sadly.