Mark 400th Anniversary of King James Version by Studying Bible [Mormon]

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• Mark 400th Anniversary of King James Version by Studying Bible

“It is not by chance or coincidence that we have the Bible today,” says Elder M. Russell Ballard of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. He explains that the Bible exists because of the obedience of righteous individuals who followed promptings to record sacred experiences and teachings, as well as the faith and courage of others who later sacrificed much to “protect and preserve” the Bible. Credit is also due, he says, to men such as John Wycliffe, William Tyndale, and Johannes Gutenberg, who translated and published the Bible in languages that ordinary people could understand and read. “I believe even the scholars of King James had spiritual promptings in their translation work,” he says.

Knowing the Scriptures

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Read messages about the scriptures that today’s prophets and apostles have given during general conference.

• “The Blessing of Scripture,” Elder D. Todd Christofferson
• “‘My Words . . . Never Cease,’” Elder Jeffrey R. Holland
• “Scriptural Witnesses,” Elder Russell M. Nelson
• “Holy Scriptures: The Power of God unto Our Salvation,” Elder Robert D. Hales

May 2, 2011, marks the 400th anniversary of the first publication of the King James Version of the Bible. Throughout the world, people of many religious and nonreligious backgrounds are already commemorating the publication of the Bible with symposia, celebrations, concerts, speaking competitions, and more. Members of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles suggest another way to mark the occasion: by developing a love for the Bible as we study the life and ministry of the Savior and the words of the ancient prophets and apostles.

“How grateful we should be for the Holy Bible,” Elder Ballard says. “I love the Bible, its teachings, its lessons, and its spirit. . . . I love the perspective and peace that come from reading the Bible.”

Elder Jeffrey R. Holland of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles agrees. “We love and revere the Bible,” he says. “It is always identified first in our canon, our ‘standard works.’” He reminds us that the Restoration came about because Joseph Smith studied the Bible and exerted faith in the promise made in James 1:5 that God will answer our prayers.

Recalling the events of history that paved the way for the Restoration, Elder Robert D. Hales of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles speaks with gratitude for all who made possible the translation and publishing of the Bible. Because of their work, the King James Version of the Bible was available for anyone to read—and because it was available to young Joseph Smith, the true Church was restored to the earth. “Is it any wonder that the King James Version is the approved English Bible of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints today?” Elder Hales asks.

“We must ever remember the countless martyrs who knew of [the Bible’s] power and who gave their lives that we may be able to find within its words the eternal happiness and the peace of our Heavenly Father’s kingdom,” Elder Ballard says.

President Boyd K. Packer, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, shares a story about viewing a centuries-old family Bible and finding a quote on the title page that said, “The fairest Impression of the Bible is to have it well printed on the Reader’s heart.” He follows with this scripture (2 Cor. 3:2-3): “Ye are our epistle written in our hearts, known and read of all men: Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in the tables of stone, but in fleshly tables of the heart.”

The best way for us to honor and remember those whose sacrifices not only allow us to read the Bible in our language, but also to enjoy the blessings of the Restoration of the gospel, is for us to know the Bible and its accompanying scriptural texts. By knowing and loving its teachings, we show our appreciation.

“Consider the magnitude of our blessing to have the Holy Bible and some 900 additional pages of scripture,” says Elder D. Todd Christofferson. “May we feast continuously on the words of Christ that will tell us all things we should do.”

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The Bible and the Book of Mormon

As separate testaments of Jesus Christ, the Bible and the Book of Mormon support rather than supplant each other. Elder Russell M. Nelson explains, “Scriptural witnesses authenticate each other. This concept was explained long ago when a prophet wrote that the Book of Mormon was ‘written for the intent that ye may believe [the Bible]; and if ye believe [the Bible] ye will believe [the Book of Mormon] also.’ Each book refers to the other. Each book stands as evidence that God lives and speaks to His children by revelation to His prophets.”

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The King James Bible and the Restoration

Religious scholars presented LDS perspectives at a Brigham Young University symposium, The King James Bible and the Restoration, in February 2011.

[oremites]

lds leaders stating that Mary did have physical sex with the lds god

Unfortunately, you haven't provided a single quote where an LDS leader stated that Mary had physical sex with God. You simply assumed that is what they were talking about because that is what you want to see.

Anyway, this has been fun. I have to go now.

[Elsie]

If you're going to spend time discussing the LDS religion, you should find out what we believe instead of continuing to spread misinformation.

Here is YOUR chance, oremites, to actually DISPLAY what MORMONism 'believes'.

Post away what the TRUTH is, and surely that will overcome our lame attempts at spreading MISINFORMATION.

[Religion Moderator]

because that is what you want to see.

Attributing motives and reading minds are forms of "making it personal."

Discuss the issues all you want, but do not make it personal.

[Elsie]

Your list of "differences" simply displays a profound lack of understanding of what MORMONiusm, Inc. teaches...

[Elsie]

Of course, that would mean you would actually want to learn something about Mormonism. Bad-mouthing someone else's religion without bothering to learn anything about it is so much more fun, though

PLEASE!!

Post some MORMON truth and quit badmouthing those who you say are badmouthing you!

[Elsie]

So what you are saying that you're just fine with incorrect translations of the Bible?

You'll need much more straw if you want to play properly.

[Elsie]

So what you are saying that you're just fine with incorrect translations of the Bible?

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"Now the way he translated was he put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes than he would take a sentance and it would apper in Brite Roman Letters. Then he would tell the writer and he would write it. Then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on. But if it was not Spelt rite it would not go away till it was rite, so we see it was marvelous. Thus was the hol [whole] translated."

---Joseph Knight's journal.

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"In writing for your father I frequently wrote day after day, often sitting at the table close by him, he sitting with his face buried in his hat, with the stone in it, and dictating hour after hour with nothing between us."
(History of the RLDS Church, 8 vols.

(Independence, Missouri: Herald House,1951),

"Last Testimony of Sister Emma [Smith Bidamon]," 3:356.

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"I, as well as all of my father's family, Smith's wife, Oliver Cowdery and Martin Harris, were present during the translation. . . . He [Joseph Smith] did not use the plates in translation."
---(David Whitmer,

as published in the "Kansas City Journal," June 5, 1881,

and reprinted in the RLDS "Journal of History", vol. 8, (1910), pp. 299-300.

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In an 1885 interview, Zenas H. Gurley, then the editor of the RLDS Saints Herald, asked Whitmer if Joseph had used his "Peep stone" to do the translation. Whitmer replied:

"... he used a stone called a "Seers stone," the "Interpreters" having been taken away from him because of transgression. The "Interpreters" were taken from Joseph after he allowed Martin Harris to carry away the 116 pages of Ms [manuscript] of the Book of Mormon as a punishment, but he was allowed to go on and translate by use of a "Seers stone" which he had, and which he placed in a hat into which he buried his face, stating to me and others that the original character appeared upon parchment and under it the translation in English."

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"Martin Harris related an incident that occurred during the time that he wrote that portion of the translation of the Book of Mormon which he was favored to write direct from the mouth of the Prophet Joseph Smith. He said that the Prophet possessed a seer stone, by which he was enabled to translate as well as from the Urim and Thummim, and for convenience he then used the seer stone, Martin explained the translation as follows: By aid of the seer stone, sentences would appear and were read by the Prophet and written by Martin and when finished he would say 'Written,' and if correctly written that sentence would disappear and another appear in its place, but if not written correctly it remained until corrected, so that the translation was just as it was engraven on the plates, precisely in the language then used."
(Edward Stevenson, "One of the Three Witnesses,"

reprinted from Deseret News, 30 Nov. 1881

in Millennial Star, 44 (6 Feb. 1882): 86-87.)

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In 1879, Michael Morse, Emma Smith's brother-in-law, stated:

 

 "When Joseph was translating the Book of Mormon [I] had occasion more than once to go into his immediate presence, and saw him engaged at his work of translation. The mode of procedure consisted in Joseph's placing the Seer Stone in the crown of a hat, then putting his face into the hat, so as to entirely cover his face, resting his elbows upon his knees, and then dictating word after word, while the scribes Emma, John Whitmer, O. Cowdery, or some other wrote it down."
(W.W. Blair interview with Michael Morse,

Saints Herald, vol. 26, no. 12

June 15, 1879,  pp. 190-91.)

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Joseph Smith's brother William also testified to the "face in the hat" version:

 

"The manner in which this was done was by looking into the Urim and Thummim, which was placed in a hat to exclude the light, (the plates lying near by covered up), and reading off the translation, which appeared in the stone by the power of God"

("A New Witness for Christ in America,"

Francis W. Kirkham, 2:417.)

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"The manner in which he pretended to read and interpret was the same manner as when he looked for the money-diggers, with the stone in his hat, while the book of plates were at the same time hid in the woods."

---Isaac Hale (Emma Smith's father's) affidavit, 1834.

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[Elsie]

We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.

[Turtlepower]

Many quotes were provided from Mormon apostltes, and the meaning of their statements is quite clear. You haven’t provided thoughtful analysis of how their quotes could mean anything other than the simple explanation that has been provided. Instead, you attack the motives of those who provided the quotes.

That tactic is very similar to what liberals do when confronted with refuting information.

[Elsie]

Herrings!

Git yer red herrings here!!

[Elsie]

No we don't. Absolutely not.

You should REALLY study up on MORMONism and find out what it teaches!

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[Elsie]

Honestly, I'd be embarrassed to discuss religion with someone of another faith where my side of the conversation was telling them what they believe and their side of the conversation was "No, we don't believe that."

Then don't do it!

TELL us what you believe, and give the SCRIPTURE to back up what you believe.

Is that too much to ask?

After all, WE will be providing QUOTES from MORMON leadership and/or MORMON scripture to back up what we are asserting.

[ejonesie22]

Brigham Young (perhaps you have heard of him)

"The birth of the Saviour was as natural as are the births of our children; it was the result of natural action. He partook of flesh and blood--was begotten of his Father, as we were of our fathers." (Journal of Discourses, volume 8, p. 115)

Also:

"When the Virgin Mary conceived the child Jesus, the Father had begotten him in his own likeness. He was not begotten by the Holy Ghost... Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost." (Journal of Discourses, Vol. 1, pp. 50, 51)

Ezra Taft Benson (he may be familiar to you as well)

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints proclaims that Jesus Christ is the Son of God in the most literal sense. The body in which He performed His mission in the flesh was sired by that same Holy Being we worship as God, our Eternal Father. Jesus was not the son of Joseph, nor was He begotten by the Holy Ghost. He is the Son of the Eternal Father." (The Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, pg.7; cf. Come unto Christ, p. 4)

Orson Pratt

"[God] had a lawful right to overshadow the Virgin Mary in the capacity of a husband, and beget a Son , ...it may be that ... He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits (bear his children) in eternity." ('The Seer, p. 158)

The 1985 edition of Gospel Principles (I think you may ahve come across this)teaches:

"Thus, God the Father became the literal father of Jesus Christ. Jesus was born of a mortal mother and an immortal father." (p.57)

A few more for you:

"Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of man, and that man was God! They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten [conceived] of the Holy Ghost. I challenge that statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible." Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 1, pp. 18,19

James E. Talmage taught:

"[our Heavenly Father beget [conceived] Jesus of a virgin] not in violation of natural law but in accordance with a higher manifestation thereof" (Jesus the Christ, p. 81).

And a few favorites from my boy Bruce McConkie who taught:

"Some words scarcely need definition… Two such words are father and son. Their meaning is known to all, and to define them is but to repeat them. Thus: A son is a son is a son, and a father is a father is a father. I am the son of my father and the father of my sons. They are my sons because they were begotten by me, were conceived by their mother, and came forth from her womb to breathe the breath of mortal life, to dwell for a time and a season among other mortal men. And so it is with the Eternal Father and the mortal birth of the Eternal Son. The Father is a Father is a Father; he is not a spirit essence or nothingness to which the name Father is figuratively applied. And the Son is a Son is a Son; he is not some transient emanation from a divine essence, but a literal, living offspring of an actual Father. God is the Father; Christ is the Son. The one begat the other. Mary provided the womb from which the Spirit Jehovah came forth, tabernacled in clay, as all men are, to dwell among his fellow spirits whose births were brought to pass in like manner. There is no need to spiritualize away the plain meaning of the scriptures. There is nothing figurative or hidden or beyond comprehension in our Lord's coming into mortality. He is the Son of God in the same sense and way that we are the sons of mortal fathers. It is just that simple. Christ was born of Mary. He is the Son of God-the Only Begotten of the Father" (The Promised Messiah, pg. 468).

And:

"And so, in the final analysis it is the faithful saints, those who have testimonies of the truth and divinity of this great latter-day work, who declare our Lord's generation to the world. Their testimony is that Mary's son is God's Son; that he was conceived and begotten in the normal way; that he took upon himself mortality by the natural birth processes; that he inherited the power of mortality from his mother and the power of immortality from his Father-in consequence of all of which he was able to work out the infinite and eternal atonement" (The Promised Messiah: The First Coming of Christ, p. 473).

and

"These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally. Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers." (Mormon Doctrine, 1979, pages 546-47)

And a couple of others:

You all know that your fathers are indeed your fathers and that your mothers are indeed your mothers you all know that don't you? You cannot deny it. Now, we are told in scriptures that Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh. Well, now for the benefit of the older ones, how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father. The Christian denominations believe that Christ was begotten not of God but of the spirit that overshadowed his mother. This is nonsense. Why will not the world receive the truth? Why will they not believe the Father when he says that Jesus Christ is His only begotten Son? Why will they try to explain this truth away and make mystery of it?" - Joseph F. Smith

"God the Father came down in his tabernacle of flesh and bone and had association with Mary, and made her pregnant with Jesus." - Apostle Franklin D. Richards (July 21, 1887)

[Elsie]

BEFORE?

[Elsie]

Because scvw quotes them, but then goes on the "explain" them to say things that they definitely do not say. That is what is called a misunderstanding.

Oh?

Then it is up to YOU (since you called out these 'errors') to actually state what the plain English DOES really mean.

[Elsie]

Well, that sure put me in my place.

The jury will note that you did NOT, in fact, answer...

[Elsie]

Thus, God the Father became the literal Father of Jesus Christ.”

Ah...

LDS.ORG can 'explain' what was said, but svcw can't.

Gotcha...

[DustyMoment]

I guess you would not want to, unless you were a Christian.

Well, ya got me! I'm an Islamormchristohinddist!!

[Elsie]

Anyway, this has been fun. I have to go now.

 

Office of First President & Living Prophet®:

May 1st, 2011

The message for this month is -

...to stay on our mantra:       We ARE Christians!!

 

 

We've been taking a beating on the Internet - especially from those hateful ANTIs on FreeRepublic!

 

We MUST keep the media constantly informed of those things the world considers christian.

We must NOT allow our MORMONness to show thru, as it has gotten a really bad rap thru history - lord only knows why...

 

Tommy

 

[Godzilla]

A swing and a miss orem

understood what he was talking about and what he meant. The “Biblical” Jesus and the “LDS” Jesus are one and the same and President Hinckly agreed.

Wrong again, due to mormon filtration of words. Never in the article does hinkley state "biblical" Jesus. He is careful to state the Jesus of the "Dispensation of the Fullness of Times" as revealed to smith. No where is the bible mentioned.

It is clear from the context that when hinkley refers to the "traditional" Jesus, he is referring to the Biblical Jesus of Christianity - ie all non-mormons (whom THEY speak).

If it wasn't clear enough orem, the article makes it further clear "those outside the Church" - who orem, buddists?

Poor mormons indeed when your prophet is so grossly misstated and misrepresented as in your reply orem. The statement is very clear for those who can read.