Fail.
Jesus completed the priesthood, and conferred the honor on each and every believer.
Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.
Posted on 02/08/2011 11:08:38 AM PST by Gamecock
Unless you understand that Christ is conferring a special office of authority on Peter as His Vicar physically present in the world...
Fail.
Jesus completed the priesthood, and conferred the honor on each and every believer.
read the attributes of the two witnesses, it can only apply to the Church.
And yet no one agrees...
Deuteronomy 7:6 For you are a people holy to the LORD your God. The LORD your God has chosen you out of all the peoples on the face of the earth to be his people, his treasured possession.
Genesis 17:7 And I will establish my covenant between me and thee and thy seed after thee in their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be a God unto thee, and to thy seed after thee.
>> Come to think of it, very few people on this earth belief that Israel has a "right" to the land.<<
Genesis 17:8 And I will give unto thee, and to thy seed after thee, the land wherein thou art a stranger, all the land of Canaan, for an everlasting possession; and I will be their God.
1 Chronicles 16:14-18 "He is The Lord our God; His judgments are in all the earth. He is mindful of His covenant for ever, of the word that He commanded, for a thousand generations, the covenant which He made with Abraham, His sworn promise to Isaac, which He confirmed as a statute to Jacob, as an everlasting covenant to Israel, saying, "To you I will give the land of Canaan, as your portion for an inheritance."
Rom 11:25 "I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in."
Ezek 39:28 "Then they will know that I am the LORD their God, for though I sent them into exile among the nations, I will gather them to their own land, not leaving any behind."
Even when the Israelites disobeyed God (as they very often did), and He punished them for it by sometimes sending them into exile, they always came back, according to God's Will, whether it was in the ancient time of the return from the Babylonian exile, or the establishment of the modern-day state of Israel (primarily by the people of Judah, one of the twelve tribes) in 1948 or the yet future greater return. And, every time, the same warning applied, and applies - God commanded the Israelites to take what was theirs, the land of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (not the land of "Abraham, Isaac and Ishmael”), all of it (no "West Banks" or "East Jerusalems" etc.), without compromise, or suffer terrorist attacks and political mayhem within their own God-commanded borders from people who had no God-given lawful right to be there.
For a moment, let’s just say that Herod was the figurehead of all the peoples of Judea (many ‘denominations’), and Pilate represented the authority of Rome (the Catholics), so maybe I can help ‘Herod’ and ‘Pilate’ become friends because of Zuriel.
**We also realize the Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion.**
A brief example of the confusion trinitarian ‘creeds’ display is shown in the following numbered lines from a posting of the so-called ‘Athanasian Creed’:
**10. The Father is eternal: the Son eternal: the Holy Spirit eternal.
22. The Son is of the Father alone: not made; nor created; but begotten.**
Eternal=begotten??
The following statement is contradictory to the verse which follows it.
**25. And in this Trinity none is before or after another: none is greater or less than another.**
“..I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.” John 14:28
And this:
**12. As also there are not three uncreated: nor three immeasurable: but one uncreated, and one immeasurable.**
??
So there are TWO that ARE created, and TWO that ARE measurable??
More confusion:
**13. So likewise the Father is almighty: the Son almighty: and the Holy Spirit almighty.**
If one is almighty, there is no need for the others. If one needs the others, that one is not almighty.
And these next ones........?????????????
17. So the Father is Lord: the Son Lord: and the Holy Spirit Lord.
18. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord.
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord:
20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say, there are three Gods, or three Lords.
?????????
Tell me, now who is it that is the author of confusion?
The religious majority, during Jesus Christ first coming, controlled the temple, synagogues, and what was taught.
And they were dead wrong when it came to knowing who he was.
Some questions for any who choose to answer them:
1. How does a ‘trinitarian’ explain this: “But of that day and hour knoweth....my Father only” (the ‘2nd and 3rd persons of God’ don’t know??)?
2. What divine powerful attribute did the Son give to the Father, if any?
3. If the Holy Ghost is a ‘separate and distinct person of God’, what divine powerful attribute can it give to the Father that the Father doesn’t already have?
4. Did the Son of God inherit his name ‘Jesus’?
5. Why is the phrase ‘Son of God’ found many times in scripture, but the phrase ‘God the Son’ is found nowhere in scripture?
6. Acts 2:38. Is it from heaven or of men?
My explaination of the Godhead:
God the Father made the body and soul of Jesus Christ and dwells in him, which is why Christ is the fulness of the Godhead bodily; the infinite God (Spirit) placing all power in him. It’s the ‘fusing’ of God’s Spirit with the mind of an obedient soul, that is given forth as the Holy Ghost. That’s why Christ is the true God and eternal life, fulfilling Isaiah 9:6, where he is called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”.
You clearly haven’t read the article—and won’t even try to dispute it, because in deriding sola scriptura types, you deride most of the most important Church Fathers—and the first 500 years of the Church.
Jesus’ bride is obedient to His Word, not obedient to His Word, PLUS some other unsubstantiated rumors of His word....
A little different way of defining what is called revelation, the basis for which The God(head) imparts the knowledge of His Will to mankind. “Sola Scriptura” is only in the sphere of Special Revelation and Inspiration:
A. Revelation is the way The God divulges truth to a man:
1) Natural or General Revelation (Rom. 1:18-20, Ps. 19:1-3)
a) This is not a personal communication mode (Lk. 4:4)
b) Natural revelation is not spiritual (1 Cor. 2:14-15)
2) Supernatural or Special Revelation (too many refs to recount here)
a) Body of records available to Moses for Genesis
b) Dreams, sleeping & wakeful visions
c) Extraordinary appearances
d) Mouth to mouth
e) Through His Son, The Living Word
B. Inspiration is the act of God, controlling by means of His Holy Spirit, the initial written recording of The God’s Word without error, so that it was perfect, (2 Tim. 3:16, 2 Pet. 1:20,21), even in the smallest consonant (yodh) or vowel pointing (keraia) (Matt. 5:18, Lk. 16:17).
1) Writing is the tangible and complete method by which His Will is given precisely (Ex. 31:18, Matt. 4:4)
2) It was revealed progressively over time. (Eph. 3:3-9)
3) It is not intended to be exhaustive on all subjects. (John 29:30, 21:25)
C. Canonicity is the list of books recognized by the church as inspired of The God to complete the Bible.
1) The writing of the Bible was concluded (as of ~100 AD)in the fulness of time (Gal. 4:4-6)
2) It is comprehensive as to salvation (1 Pet. 1:23, ), separation (2 Cor. 6:14-18), and sanctification (1 Pet 1:15-16, 2 Cor. 7:1).
3) It is closed to any further inclusion through man (Rev. 22:18-19).
D. Preaching is _not_ revelation. It is to proclaim, as a herald, something already known; to dispel ignorance of the fact that The God is willing to reconcile the hearer to Him through Jesus’ obedience to The God’s Will (Heb. 10:9-10), according to the Scriptures (1 Cor. 15:1-4).
E. Teaching is _not_ revelation. It is explaining that which is known — what (a) Scripture means and/or how it is to be applied, keeping it watchfully secure against mistranslation or misinterpretation (Matt. 28:20a)
The feature of “Sola Scriptura” doctrine is that the only valid tradition authorized by Scripture (2 Thess. 2:15 and 2 Pet. 3:16 as comp. Matt. 115:3,6 and Gal. 1:14)is that of using the Holy Scriptures to explain and apply it, using itself alone as the standard and authority, as did the original Apostles, and Paul (1 Cor. 15:8).
You might note that John Wesley’s Methodism was based on the Quadrilateral (Scripture, Tradition, Reason, and Experience) — flying in the face of Sola Scriptura (as does today’s Romanism); for which Wesley was chastened by his contemporary, George Whitfield AFAIK.
With regards —
i need to get to bed, i will answer tomorrow.
but, let me ask you, when Jesus was baptized by John, who’s voice was it that was heard saying “this is my son.....”
was Jesus throwing His voice like a ventriliquist?
For example, I already dealt with the opening sentence... So let's take the first assertion... that the Council of Trent declared the Bible insufficient. No it did not. The words of Trent are paraphrased but the "not materially sufficient" part is editorial conclusion.
Fraud.
That formulation does not address the matter of who among us is best fit to perform the missions assigned by the Spirit, and how error is to be avoided. You posit a kind of anarchy. In a way you are proposing the same kind of existence led by the Desert Fathers of Egypt and Syria, who withdrew from the cities in order to live holy lives. But the Acts show the Church as a Community, and within that community lines of authority and the rudiments of a liturgy, one founded on the worship of Jesus as Lord. No doubt that power was not confined to the Twelves and the large but unknown number.Paul speaks of 500 who can attest to the Resurrection. Yet there is a gravitational pull to congregation. These are after all Jews, and so they come together quite naturally in Christian synagogues, and do given honor still to the Temple, which however has acquired an entirely new meaning.
If you need specifics I suggest you read posts #6 , 8, 10, and 16 which decimate the fiction contained in the article and which your type has yet to adequately refute. If you have the courage you can read past post #16 to see further carnage of the insanity of sola scriptura.
It appears your ilk has been schooled in this vein for years yet you persist in your pride much like Satan. It may well be time for your type to take the words of John the Baptist to heart and "Repent"
And yet St Paul referenced noncanonical letters of his twice (1 Cor 5:9-11; Col 4:16) in Sacred Scripture text. In 1 Thess 3:10, St Paul implies that his letter isn't enough and that only in person could he supply what is lacking in their faith. 2 Peter 3:16 suggests that the Scriptures are difficult to understand and can be distorted by the ignorant to their own destruction. In Acts 17:28, St Paul quotes the writings of pagan poets when he taught at the Aeropagus... appealing to sources outside of Scripture to teach about God.
Sola Scriptura is wrong on so many levels (not the least of examples is this thread and its multiple understandings of "simple" Scripture text) and your proof above is bogus given the citations given that are outside of your assertion. Here is a great list of reasons why Sola Scriptura is unbiblical... I don't feel like copying them all and there's no reason to paste them here beyond a simple link.
Absolutely great post.
Good call. Thanks!
“[Love] is not rude.” (1 Cor. 13:5)
Thank you very much. Time for me to hit the hay. Good night!
Oh, and thank you again for your ministry of the daily readings, et al. They are a great help to me (and I know I am not alone).
Good...NOW, show us the traditions that were passed down from the Apostles...
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