For a moment, let’s just say that Herod was the figurehead of all the peoples of Judea (many ‘denominations’), and Pilate represented the authority of Rome (the Catholics), so maybe I can help ‘Herod’ and ‘Pilate’ become friends because of Zuriel.
**We also realize the Holy Spirit is not the author of confusion.**
A brief example of the confusion trinitarian ‘creeds’ display is shown in the following numbered lines from a posting of the so-called ‘Athanasian Creed’:
**10. The Father is eternal: the Son eternal: the Holy Spirit eternal.
22. The Son is of the Father alone: not made; nor created; but begotten.**
Eternal=begotten??
The following statement is contradictory to the verse which follows it.
**25. And in this Trinity none is before or after another: none is greater or less than another.**
“..I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I.” John 14:28
And this:
**12. As also there are not three uncreated: nor three immeasurable: but one uncreated, and one immeasurable.**
??
So there are TWO that ARE created, and TWO that ARE measurable??
More confusion:
**13. So likewise the Father is almighty: the Son almighty: and the Holy Spirit almighty.**
If one is almighty, there is no need for the others. If one needs the others, that one is not almighty.
And these next ones........?????????????
17. So the Father is Lord: the Son Lord: and the Holy Spirit Lord.
18. And yet not three Lords; but one Lord.
19. For like as we are compelled by the Christian verity to acknowledge every Person by himself to be God and Lord:
20. So are we forbidden by the catholic religion to say, there are three Gods, or three Lords.
?????????
Tell me, now who is it that is the author of confusion?
The religious majority, during Jesus Christ first coming, controlled the temple, synagogues, and what was taught.
And they were dead wrong when it came to knowing who he was.
Some questions for any who choose to answer them:
1. How does a ‘trinitarian’ explain this: “But of that day and hour knoweth....my Father only” (the ‘2nd and 3rd persons of God’ don’t know??)?
2. What divine powerful attribute did the Son give to the Father, if any?
3. If the Holy Ghost is a ‘separate and distinct person of God’, what divine powerful attribute can it give to the Father that the Father doesn’t already have?
4. Did the Son of God inherit his name ‘Jesus’?
5. Why is the phrase ‘Son of God’ found many times in scripture, but the phrase ‘God the Son’ is found nowhere in scripture?
6. Acts 2:38. Is it from heaven or of men?
My explaination of the Godhead:
God the Father made the body and soul of Jesus Christ and dwells in him, which is why Christ is the fulness of the Godhead bodily; the infinite God (Spirit) placing all power in him. It’s the ‘fusing’ of God’s Spirit with the mind of an obedient soul, that is given forth as the Holy Ghost. That’s why Christ is the true God and eternal life, fulfilling Isaiah 9:6, where he is called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace”.
i need to get to bed, i will answer tomorrow.
but, let me ask you, when Jesus was baptized by John, who’s voice was it that was heard saying “this is my son.....”
was Jesus throwing His voice like a ventriliquist?
i think you seriously misunderstand the doctrine of the Trinity. section 12 means there is One God, not 3 Gods.
we must take and understand God as He has revealed Himself to us, not as we think it should be.
also, you don’t realize that the Catholic Church received the doctrine of the Trinity directly from the Apostles, as the Church Fathers testify.
your understanding of God seems to preclude that Jesus was truly man.
do you believe that Jesus was merely the Father appearing in flesh, without actually being human?
was Jesus praying to Himself in John 17?
i am not sure what your questions about “divine attributes” mean? the Father requires no attributes from the Holy Spirit, and vice versa.
Jesus received His name when he became man , but He always existed, He was not “created”
John 1 tells us that.
Acts 2:38 is from God, using the Body of Christ on earth, the Church, by the power of the Holy Spirit.
you sound like a cambellite, which only appeared in the 19th century.
what do you believe happened to the true Church from the 1st century to the 19th century - didn’t anyone understand who God was all that time?