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What did the Early Church believe about the authority of Scripture? (sola Scriptura)
Christian Answers ^ | William Webster

Posted on 02/08/2011 11:08:38 AM PST by Gamecock

The sixteenth century Reformation was responsible for restoring to the Church the principle of sola Scriptura, a principle that had been operative within the Church from the very beginning of the post apostolic age.

Initially the apostles taught orally, but with the close of the apostolic age, all special revelation that God wanted preserved for man was codified in the written Scriptures. Sola Scriptura is the teaching, founded on the Scriptures themselves, that there is only one special revelation from God that man possesses today, the written Scriptures or the Bible.

Consequently the Scriptures are materially sufficient and are by their very nature (as being inspired by God) the ultimate authority for the Church. This means that there is no portion of that revelation which has been preserved in the form of oral tradition independent of Scripture. We do not possess any oral teaching of an Apostle today. Only Scripture therefore records for us the apostolic teaching and the final revelation of God.

Where things went wrong - The Council of Trent denied the sufficiency of Scripture

The Council of Trent in the 16th century declared that the revelation of God was not contained solely in the Scriptures. It declared that it was contained partly in the written Scriptures and partly in oral tradition and, therefore, the Scriptures were not materially sufficient.

This was the universal view of Roman Catholic theologians for centuries after the Council of Trent. It is interesting to note, however, that in Roman Catholic circles today there is an ongoing debate among theologians on the nature of Tradition. There is no clear understanding of what Tradition is in Roman Catholicism today. Some agree with Trent and some do not.

The Apostolic Fathers and the Apologists held to sola Scriptura

The view promoted by the Council of Trent contradicted the belief and practice of the Early Church. The Early Church held to the principle of sola Scriptura. It believed that all doctrine must be proven from Scripture and if such proof could not be produced, the doctrine was to be rejected.

The Early Church Fathers (Ignatius, Polycarp, Clement, the Didache, and Barnabus) taught doctrine and defended Christianity against heresies. In doing this, their sole appeal for authority was Scripture. Their writings literally breathe with the spirit of the Old and New Testaments. In the writings of the apologists such as Justin martyr and Athenagoras the same thing is found. There is no appeal in any of these writings, to the authority of Tradition as a separate and independent body of revelation.

Irenaeus and Tertullian held to sola Scriptura

It is with the writings of Irenaeus and Tertullian in the mid to late second century that we first encounter the concept of Apostolic Tradition (tradition handed down in the Church from the apostles in oral form). The word tradition simply means teaching. Irenaeus and Tertullian state emphatically that all the teachings of the Bishops that was given orally was rooted in Scripture and could be proven from the written Scriptures.

Both men give the actual doctrinal content of the Apostolic Tradition that was orally preached in the churches. From this, it can be seen clearly that all their doctrine was derived from Scripture. There was no doctrine in what they refer to as apostolic Tradition that is not found in Scripture.

In other words, the apostolic Tradition defined by Irenaeus and Tertullian is simply the teaching of Scripture. It was Irenaeus who stated that while the Apostles at first preached orally, their teaching was later committed to writing (the Scriptures), and the Scriptures had since that day become the pillar and ground of the Churchs faith. His exact statement is as follows:

"We have learned from none others the plan of our salvation, than from those through whom the gospel has come down to us, which they did at one time proclaim in public, and, at a later period, by the will of God, handed down to us in the Scriptures, to be the ground and pillar of our faith." [1]

Tradition, when referring to oral proclamation such as preaching or teaching, was viewed primarily as the oral presentation of Scriptural truth, or the codifying of biblical truth into creedal expression. There is no appeal in the writings of Irenaeus or Tertullian to a Tradition on issues of doctrine that are not found in Scripture.

Rather, these men had to contend with the Gnostics who were the very first to suggest and teach that they possessed an Apostolic oral Tradition that was independent from Scripture. Irenaeus and Tertullian rejected such a notion and appealed to Scripture alone for the proclamation and defense of doctrine. Church historian, Ellen Flessman-van Leer affirms this fact:

"For Tertullian, Scripture is the only means for refuting or validating a doctrine as regards its content… For Irenaeus, the Church doctrine is certainly never purely traditional; on the contrary, the thought that there could be some truth, transmitted exclusively viva voce (orally), is a Gnostic line of thought… If Irenaeus wants to prove the truth of a doctrine materially, he turns to Scripture, because therein the teaching of the apostles is objectively accessible. Proof from tradition and Scripture serve one and the same end: to identify the teaching of the Church as the original apostolic teaching. The first establishes that the teaching of the Church is this apostolic teaching, and the second, what this apostolic teaching is." [2]
The Bible was the ultimate authority for the Church of the Early Church . It was materially sufficient, and the final arbiter in all matters of doctrinal truth. As J.N.D. Kelly has pointed out:

"The clearest token of the prestige enjoyed by Scripture is the fact that almost the entire theological effort of the Fathers, whether their aims were polemical or constructive, was expended upon what amounted to the exposition of the Bible. Further, it was everywhere taken for granted that, for any doctrine to win acceptance, it had first to establish its Scriptural basis". [3]
Heiko Oberman comments about the relationship between Scripture and Tradition in the Early Church:
"Scripture and tradition were for the Early Church in no sense mutually exclusive: kerygma (the message of the gospel), Scripture and Tradition coincided entirely. The Church preached the kerygma, which is found in toto in written form in the canonical books. The tradition was not understood as an addition to the kerygma contained in Scripture but as handing down that same kerygma in living form: in other words everything was to be found in Scripture and at the same time everything was in living Tradition". [4]

Cyril of Jerusalem held to sola Scriptura

The fact that the early Church was faithful to the principle of sola Scriptura is clearly seen from the writings of Cyril of Jerusalem (the bishop of Jerusalem in the mid 4th century). He is the author of what is known as the Catechetical Lectures. This work is an extensive series of lectures given to new believers expounding the principle doctrines of the faith. It is a complete explanation of the faith of the Church of his day. His teaching is thoroughly grounded in Scripture. There is in fact not one appeal in the entirety of the Lectures to an oral apostolic Tradition that is independent of Scripture.

He states in explicit terms that if he were to present any teaching to these catechumens which could not be validated from Scripture, they were to reject it. This fact confirms that his authority as a bishop was subject to his conformity to the written Scriptures in his teaching. The following excerpts are some of his statements on the final authority of Scripture from these lectures.

"This seal have thou ever on thy mind; which now by way of summary has been touched on in its heads, and if the Lord grant, shall hereafter be set forth according to our power, with Scripture proofs. For concerning the divine and sacred Mysteries of the Faith, we ought not to deliver even the most casual remark without the Holy Scriptures: nor be drawn aside by mere probabilities and the artifices of argument. Do not then believe me because I tell thee these things, unless thou receive from the Holy Scriptures the proof of what is set forth: for this salvation, which is of our faith, is not by ingenious reasonings, but by proof from the Holy Scriptures." [5]

"But take thou and hold that faith only as a learner and in profession, which is by the Church delivered to thee, and is established from all Scripture. For since all cannot read the Scripture, but some as being unlearned, others by business, are hindered from the knowledge of them; in order that the soul may not perish for lack of instruction, in the Articles which are few we comprehend the whole doctrine of Faith…And for the present, commit to memory the Faith, merely listening to the words; and expect at the fitting season the proof of each of its parts from the Divine Scriptures. For the Articles of the Faith were not composed at the good pleasure of men: but the most important points chosen from all Scriptures, make up the one teaching of the Faith. And, as the mustard seed in a little grain contains many branches, thus also this Faith, in a few words, hath enfolded in its bosom the whole knowledge of godliness contained both in the Old and New Testaments. Behold, therefore, brethren and hold the traditions which ye now receive, and write them on the table of your hearts". [6]

Notice in the above passage that Cyril states that catechumens are receiving tradition, and he exhorts them to hold to the traditions, which they are now receiving. From what source is this tradition derived? Obviously it is derived from the Scriptures, the teaching or tradition or revelation of God, which was committed to the Apostles and passed on to the Church, and which is now accessible in Scripture alone.

It is significant that Cyril of Jerusalem, who is communicating the entirety of the faith to these new believers, did not make a single appeal to an oral tradition to support his teachings. The entirety of the faith is grounded upon Scripture and Scripture alone.

Gregory of Nyssa held to sola Scriptura

Gregory of Nyssa also enunciated this principle. He stated:

"The generality of men still fluctuate in their opinions about this, which are as erroneous as they are numerous. As for ourselves, if the Gentile philosophy, which deals methodically with all these points, were really adequate for a demonstration, it would certainly be superfluous to add a discussion on the soul to those speculations. But while the latter proceeded, on the subject of the soul, as far in the direction of supposed consequences as the thinker pleased, we are not entitled to such license, I mean that of affirming what we please; we make the Holy Scriptures the rule and the measure of every tenet; we necessarily fix our eyes upon that, and approve that alone which may be made to harmonize with the intention of those writings." [7]

The Early Church operated on basis of sola Scriptura

These above quotations are simply representative of the Church fathers as a whole. Cyprian, Origen, Hippolytus, Athanasius, Firmilian, and Augustine are just a few of these that could be cited as proponents of the principle of sola Scriptura in addition to Tertullian, Irenaeus, Cyril and Gregory of Nyssa. The Early Church operated on the basis of the principle of sola Scriptura. It was this historical principle that the Reformers sought to restore to the Church. The extensive use of Scripture by the fathers of the Early Church from the very beginning are seen in the following facts:

Irenaeus: He knew Polycarp who was a disciple of the apostle John. He lived from c 130 to 202 AD. He quotes from twenty-four of the twenty-seven books of the New Testament, taking over 1,800 quotations from the New Testament alone.

Clement of Alexandria: He lived from 150 to 215 AD. He cites all the New Testament, books except Philemon, James and 2 Peter. He gives 2,400 citations from the New Testament.

Tertullian: He lived from 160 to 220 AD. He makes over 7,200 New Testament citations.

Origen: He lived from 185 to 254 AD. He succeeded Clement of Alexandria at the Catechetical school at Alexandria. He makes nearly 18,000 New Testament citations. By the end of the 3rd century, virtually the entire New Testament could be reconstructed from the writings of the Church Fathers.

Customs and Practices as Apostolic Oral Tradition

It is true that the Early Church also held to the concept of tradition as referring to ecclesiastical customs and practices. It was often believed that such practices were actually handed down from the Apostles, even though they could not necessarily be validated from the Scriptures. These practices, however, did not involve the doctrines of the faith, and were often contradictory among different segments of the Church.

An example of this is found early on in the 2nd century in the controversy over when to celebrate Easter. Certain Eastern churches celebrated it on a different day from those in the West, but each claimed that their particular practice was handed down to them directly from the apostles. This actually led to conflict with the Bishop of Rome who demanded that the Eastern Bishops submit to the Western practice. This they refused to do, firmly believing that they were adhering to apostolic Tradition.

Which one is correct? There is no way to determine which, if either, was truly of Apostolic origin. It is interesting, however, to note that one of the proponents for the Eastern view was Polycarp, who was a disciple of the apostle John. There are other examples of this sort of claim in Church history. Just because a certain Church Father claims that a particular practice is of apostolic origin does not mean that it necessarily was. All it meant was that he believes that it was. But there was no way to verify if in fact it was a tradition from the Apostles.

There are numerous practices in which the Early Church engaged which it believed were of Apostolic origin (listed by Basil the Great), but which no one practices today. Clearly therefore, such appeals to oral apostolic Tradition that refer to customs and practices are meaningless.

The Roman Catholic Church’s appeal to Tradition as an authority is not valid.

The Roman Catholic Church states that it possesses an oral apostolic Tradition which is independent of Scripture, and which is binding upon men. It appeals to Paul's statement in 2 Thessalonians 2:15: "Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle".

Rome asserts that, based on Paul's teaching in this passage, the teaching of sola Scriptura is false, since he handed on teachings to the Thessalonians in both oral and written form. But what is interesting in such an assertion is that Roman apologists never document the specific doctrines to which Paul is referring which they claim they possess, and which they say are binding upon men. From Francis de Sales to the writings of Karl Keating and Robert Sungenis there is a very conspicuous absence of documentation of the specific doctrines to which the Apostle Paul is referring.

Sungenis edited a work recently on a defense of the Roman Catholic teaching of tradition entitled Not By Scripture Alone. It is touted as a definitive refutation of the Protestant teaching of sola Scriptura. His book is 627 pages in length. Not once in the entire book does any author define the doctrinal content of this supposed apostolic Tradition that is binding on all men! Yet, we are told that it exists, that the Roman Catholic Church possesses it, and that we are bound, therefore, to submit to this church which alone possesses the fullness of God's revelation from the Apostles.

What Sungenis and other Roman Catholic authors fail to define, is the contents and precise doctrines of the claimed “apostolic Tradition”. The simple reason that they do not do so is because it does not exist. If such traditions existed and were of such importance why did Cyril of Jerusalem not mention them in his Catechetical Lectures?

We defy anyone to list the doctrines to which Paul is referring in 2 Thessalonians 2:15 which he says he committed orally to the Thessalonians. The only special revelation man possesses today from God that was committed to the Apostles is the written Scriptures.

This was the belief and practice of the early Church

. This principle was adhered to by the Reformers. They sought to restore it to the Church after doctrinal corruption had entered through the door of tradition.

The teaching of a separate body of apostolic revelation known as Tradition that is oral in nature originated not with the Christian Church but rather with Gnosticism. This was an attempt by the Gnostics to bolster their authority by asserting that the Scriptures were not sufficient. They stated that they possessed the fullness of Apostolic revelation because they not only had the written revelation of the Apostles in the Scriptures but also their oral tradition, and additionally, the key for interpreting and understanding that revelation.

Just as the Early Church Fathers repudiated that teaching and claim by an exclusive reliance upon and appeal to the written Scriptures, so must we.

"My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me" John 10:27.

What does the Bible teach about sola Scriptura (final authority of Scripture)? Answer

Endnotes

  1. Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson, editors, Ante-Nicene Fathers (Peabody: Hendriksen, 1995) Vol. 1, Irenaeus, “Against Heresies” 3.1.1, p. 414. [up]

  2. Ellen Flessman-van Leer, Tradition and Scripture in the Early Church (Assen: Van Gorcum, 1953) pp. 184, 133, 144. [up]

  3. J. N. D. Kelly, Early Christian Doctrines (San Francisco: Harper & Row, 1978), pp. 42, 46. [up]

  4. Heiko Oberman, The Harvest of Medieval Theology (Cambridge: Harvard University, 1963), p. 366. [up]
  5. A Library of the Fathers of the Holy Catholic Church (Oxford: Parker, 1845), "The Catechetical Lectures of S. Cyril" Lecture 4.17. [up]

  6. Ibid., Lecture 5.12. [up]

  7. Philip Schaff and Henry Wace, editors, Nicene and Post-Nicene Fathers (Peabody: Hendriksen, 1995) Second Series: Volume V, Gregory of Nyssa: Dogmatic Treatises, "On the Soul and the Resurrection", p. 439. [up]



TOPICS: Apologetics
KEYWORDS: cherrypicking; revisionisthistory; solascriptura
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To: AnalogReigns

Basically, all I’m saying, is the original meaning of “sola scriptura” to the 16th C. Reformers was defined as the bible being the Church’s only FINAL/INERRANT authority...it wasn’t saying the Bible is the only authority at all.

Unfortunately some evangelicals and others have taken it to mean that only the bible alone has ANY authority... and have become ignorammi...dumping all the knowledge gleaned by Church history for nearly 2,000 years, running off alone with their bibles (even when they don’t really understand the context and character of the bible...).

Rome officially puts itself-in-(undefined)tradition—on EQUAL footing to scripture, with the Pope having the final say on everything...hence, really the institution of the current Church usurps the bible, becoming an unaccountable authority-unto-itself.

I think it’s important to understand the idea of underlying authorities, with scripture as the final authority over them all, to avoid the charge of “private interpretation” so often leveled by Roman Catholics, as, in the contemporary “independent non-denominational” Church scene, that charge really does have a point...


61 posted on 02/08/2011 3:17:18 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: AnalogReigns
Bible


"We are compelled to concede to the Papists
that they have the Word of God,
that we received it from them,
and that without them
we should have no knowledge of it at all."

~ Martin Luther




62 posted on 02/08/2011 3:17:38 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: AnalogReigns
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63 posted on 02/08/2011 3:18:22 PM PST by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: Gamecock

Great post—thanks!!

Hoss


64 posted on 02/08/2011 3:21:17 PM PST by HossB86
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism; Cronos; Salvation

the other obvious refutation of SS is Protestantism itself.
yesterday, we had a thread where good old sola scriptura believers were having at each other over infant baptism. each claimed scriptural authority for their belief. one had to be wrong. who is right the Baptist or the Lutheran?
no one knows how many contradictory sects there are now, 9,000, 16000, 30,000? it gets larger every year.
all claim an infallible book, but no infallible teacher. all oppose historical, orthodox Christianity, many have no clue they do.
you want another battle amongst the SS crowd, mention Calvinism and then stand back and watch the fur fly!


65 posted on 02/08/2011 3:22:11 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Gamecock

Yup. Homerun. Out of the park.

:D

Hoss


66 posted on 02/08/2011 3:29:13 PM PST by HossB86
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Quote Catholic

Tertullian on disallowing Heretics’ appeal to Sacred Scripture
March 25, 2010
Kevin Author T, Heresy, Sacred Scripture Comments Off

Our appeal [in debating with the heretics], therefore, must not be made to the Scriptures; nor must controversy be admitted on points in which victory will either be impossible, or uncertain, or not certain enough. For a resort to the Scriptures would but result in placing both parties on equal footing, whereas the natural order of procedure requires one question to be asked first, which is the only one now that should be discussed: “With whom lies that very faith to which the Scriptures belong? From what and through whom, and when, and to whom, has been handed down that rule by which men become Christians? For wherever it shall be manifest that the true Christian rule and faith shall be, there will likewise be the true Scriptures and expositions thereof, and all the Christian traditions”

Since this is the case, in order that the truth may be adjudged to belong to us, “as many as walk according to the rule,” which the church has handed down from the apostles, the apostles from Christ, and Christ from God, the reason of our position is clear, when it determines that heretics ought not to be allowed to challenge an appeal to the Scriptures, since we, without the scriptures, prove that they have nothing to do with the Scriptures. For as they are heretics, they cannot be true Christians, because it is not from Christ that they get that which they pursue of their own mere choice, and from the pursuit incur and admit the name of heretics. Thus not being Christians, they have acquired no right to the Christian Scriptures; and it may be very fairly said to them, “Who are you?”

this is Tertullian on Sacred Tradition, the Scriptures and Heretics - “Who are you”!!

from the website quotecatholic


67 posted on 02/08/2011 3:31:33 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: AnalogReigns
Rome officially puts itself-in-(undefined)tradition—on EQUAL footing to scripture, with the Pope having the final say on everything...hence, really the institution of the current Church usurps the bible, becoming an unaccountable authority-unto-itself.

You ridicule what you don't understand. Not all Catholic tradition is Tradition. When we speak of Sacred Tradition, we are speaking of that oral instruction given by Christ (the Word made flesh) directly to the Apostles that is not found in Scripture. Jesus didn't twiddle His Thumbs for 40 days after His Resurrection, He instructed His Apostles... and yet this period receives scant mention in the Written Word... because these are the Traditions Paul is talking about to the Thessalonians. These are the instructions of Christ carried out by His Apostles.

The Pope only has a final say when a final say is needed. For example, in Acts 15... there was much discussion and disagreement among the Apostles before Peter spoke authoritatively.

I understand your concern in your final assertion... however, for the first 1500 years after Christ's Ascension, that is all the world had... and we had unity. When we "reformed" the Church we brought disunity and fractalization to the -enth degree. Truly, this isn't the unity Christ desired for us.

68 posted on 02/08/2011 3:32:47 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism

Exactly. What separates us is tradition. The Protestants, in denying Catholic Tradition, have begun their own. Now, they belong to the Baptist tradition, Lutheran tradition, Methodist tradition, et al...


69 posted on 02/08/2011 3:35:18 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: RnMomof7

Mom—

I guess it’s like the whole “saint” thing—it takes fallible men to declare that a person is a saint by “canonization” when, really, that has already been done by God almighty IF the person in question was saved.

I suppose God had to wait unt the Council of Trent so that the created could tell the Creator that the words He spoke were His.

That is just laughable. And sad.

Hoss


70 posted on 02/08/2011 3:38:59 PM PST by HossB86
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To: AnalogReigns

my friend, you forget Christ established a visible Church and He gave it authority to teach. we have the obligation to be taught, not run off with our own ideas as to what we feel the Scriptures teach. remember, the Church is the “pillar of truth” and has the Holy Spirit protecting it from teaching error.
there is a way that seems right to man, but the end of which is certain death.


71 posted on 02/08/2011 3:39:07 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: HossB86

no what is sad is trying to tear the Body of Christ into 9,000 different sects in opposition to John 17 and 1 Corinthians 1. what a scandal to the unsaved!!


72 posted on 02/08/2011 3:42:25 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: Gamecock; Cronos; Salvation

Sacred Oral Tradition in the Early Church


SACRED ORAL TRADITION ADVOCATED BY THE EARLY CHURCH
Mark J. Bonocore

In the Bible:

2 Thess 2:15: “Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an ORAL STATEMENT or by a letter from us.”

Phil 4:9: “Keep on doing what you have learned and received and HEARD and SEEN IN ME. Then the God of peace will be with you.”

1 Corinth 11:2: “I praise you because you remember me in everything and hold fast to the Traditions, just as I handed them on to you.”

2 Thess 3:6: “We instruct you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the TRADITION they received from us.”

1 Peter 1:25: “...but the Word of the Lord REMAINS FOREVER. This is the Word that has been PROCLAIMED TO YOU (i.e., orally).”

In the Church Fathers:

ST. IRENAEUS OF LYONS (c. 180 AD):

“So forceful are these arguments that no one should henceforth seek the truth from ANY OTHER SOURCE since it would be simple to get it from THE CHURCH ....On this account are we bound to avoid them, but to make choice of the things pertaining to the Church with utmost diligence, and to lay hold of the TRADITION OF TRUTH ..For how should it be if the Apostles themselves had not left us writing? Would it be necessary [in that case] to follow the course of Tradition which they handed down to those whom they committed the Churches?” (Against the Heresies 3:4:1)

“Though none others know we the disposition of our salvation, than those through whom the Gospel came to us, first heralding it, then by the will of God delivering us the Scriptures, which were to be the foundation and pillar of our faith. ...But when the heretics use Scriptures, as if they were wrong and unauthoritative, and we variable, and the truth could not be extracted from them by those who were IGNORANT OF TRADITION. And when we challenge them in turn with that TRADITION, which is FROM THE APOSTLES, which is guarded by the succession of presbyters in the churches, they oppose themselves to TRADITION, saying they are wiser, not only than those presbyters but even than the Apostles! The TRADITION OF THE APOSTLES manifested, on the contrary, in the whole world, is open in every church to all who seeks the truth ...And since it is a long matter in a work like this to enumerate these successions, we will confute them by pointing to the TRADITION of the greatest and most ancient and universally-known Church founded and constituted at Rome by the two most glorious Apostles, Peter and Paul, a TRADITION which she has had and a faith which she proclaims to all men FROM THOSE APOSTLES.” (Against the Heresies 3:1-3)

“It comes to this, therefore, these men do not consent to either Scripture nor TRADITION.” (Against the Heresies 3:2:2).

TERTULLIAN OF CARTHAGE (c. 200):

“We do not take our scriptural teaching from the parables but we interpret the parables according to our teaching.” (Purity 9:1)

“For this reason we should not appeal merely to the Scriptures nor fight our battle on ground where victory is either impossible or uncertain or improbable. For a resort to the Scriptures would but result in placing both parties on an equal footing, whereas the natural order of procedure requires one question to be asked first, which is the only one now that should be discussed. ‘Who are the guardians of the real faith? To whom do the Scriptures belong? By whom and through whom and when and to whom was the committed the doctrine that makes us Christians? For wherever the truth of Christian doctrine and faith clearly abide, there will be also the true Scriptures and the true interpretations and all the true Christian traditions.” (On Prescription Against the Heretics 36)

ORIGEN (c. 220):

“Although there are many who believe that they themselves hold to the teachings of Christ, there are yet some among them who think differently from their predecessors. The teaching of the Church has indeed been handed down through an order of succession from the Apostles and remains in the churches even to the present time. That alone is to be believed as the truth which is in no way at variance with ecclesiastical and Apostolic Tradition” (The Fundamental Doctrines 1:2 [A.D. 225]).

ST. CYRIL OF JERUSALEM (c. 350):

“But in learning the Faith and in professing it, acquire and keep only that which is now delivered to you BY THE CHURCH, and which has been built up strongly out of the Scriptures.” (Cat V:12)

Which Scriptures? These:

“Learn also diligently FROM THE CHURCH what are the books of the Old Testament and what are the books of the New.” (Cat IV:33)

Note: St. Cyril is referring to the local church since, in his day, different city-churches recognized different Scriptural canons. And the very fact that he needs to tell his new converts this shows that the Biblical canon was not yet universally established.

ST. ANTHONY OF EGYPT (c. 320):

“Wherefore, keep yourselves all the more untainted by them (the Arians), and observe the TRADITIONS of the fathers, and chiefly the holy faith in our Lord Jesus Christ, which you have learned from the Scripture, and which you have often been put in mind by me.” (Athanasius’ “Life of Anthony” NPNF Vol IV 2nd Series).

ST. ATHANASIUS (c. 330-370):

“Let them (the Arians) tell us from what teacher, or from what TRADITION, they derived those notions concerning the Savior.” (De Decr 13)

“For what OUR FATHERS have DELIVERED, this is true doctrine; and this is truly the token of doctors, to confess the SAME THING with each other, and to vary neither from themselves nor from their fathers; whereas they who do not have this character are not to be called true doctors.” (De Decr 4)

“Laying down their PRIVATE impiety as some sort of rule, they (the Arians) wrest all the Divine oracles (the Scriptures) into accordance with it.” (Orat 1, 52)

“Had they dwelt on these thoughts and recognized the ECCLESIASTICAL (i.e., Church) scope as an ANCHOR for the Faith, they would not have made shipwreck of the faith.” (Orat 3, 58)

ST. BASIL THE GREAT (c. 370)

“Of the dogmas and messages preserved in the Church, some we possess from written teaching and others we receive from the Tradition of the Apostles, handed on to us in mystery (i.e., Sacrament; the Liturgy of the Mass). . In respect to piety both are of the same force. No one will contradict any of these, no one, at any rate, who is even moderately versed in matters ecclesiastical. Indeed, were we to try to reject unwritten customs as having no great authority, we would unwittingly injure the Gospel in its vitals; or rather, we would reduce [Christian] message to a mere term.” (The Holy Spirit 27:66 [A.D. 375]).

ST. GREGORY NAZIANZUS (c. 370):

“I desire to learn what is the fashion of innovation in things concerning the Church. But since our faith has been proclaimed both in writing AND WITHOUT WRITING, here and in distant parts, in times of danger and of safety, how is it that some make such attempts and others keep silent?” (Ep 101).

“It suffices for proof of our statement that we have a TRADITION coming down from the fathers, an inheritance as it were, by succession FROM THE APOSTLES through the saints who came after them (Against Eunomius 4, 6 on Christ’s nature).

ST. EPIPHANIUS OF SALAMIS (c. 370)

“It is needful also to make use of Tradition, for not everything can be gotten from Sacred Scripture. The holy Apostles handed down some things in the Scriptures, other things in Tradition.” (Medicine Chest Against All Heresies 61:6 [A.D. 375]).

ST. JOHN CHRYSOSTOM (c. 390)

” ‘Stand firm and hold fast to the Traditions you were taught, whether by an oral statement or by a letter’ (2 Thess 2:15). Hence it is manifest that they did not deliver all things by Epistle, but many things UNWRITTEN, and in like manner both the one and the other are worthy of credit. Therefore, let us think the TRADITION of the Church also worthy of credit. It is a Tradition, seek no farther.” (Commentary on 2nd Thessalonians NPNF 13:390).

ST. AUGUSTINE OF HIPPO (c. 400)

“Those which we keep, not as being written, but as from TRADITION, if observed by the whole of Christendom, are thereby understood to be committed to us BY THE APOSTLES themselves or plenary Councils, and to be retained as instituted.” (Ep 118).

“But in regard to those observances which we carefully attend and which the whole world keeps, and which derive not from Scripture but from Tradition, we are given to understand that they are recommended and ordained to be kept, either by the Apostles themselves or by plenary [ecumenical] councils, the authority of which is quite vital in the Church” (Letter to Januarius [A.D. 400]).

“And if anyone seek for Divine authority in this matter, though what is held by the whole Church, and not as instituted by Councils, but as a matter of invariable custom, is rightly held to have been HANDED DOWN by APOSTOLIC authority.” (On Baptism 24 speaking of infant Baptism).

“[T]he custom [of not rebaptizing converts] ...may be supposed to have had its origin in Apostolic Tradition, just as there are many things which are observed by the whole Church, and therefore are fairly held to have been enjoined by the Apostles, which yet are not mentioned in their writings” (On Baptism, Against the Donatists 5:23[31] [A.D. 400]).

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73 posted on 02/08/2011 3:51:56 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: one Lord one faith one baptism
there is no more illogical doctrine than that of sola scriptura"Sacred Tradition". for it to be true, we would first need an infallible canon of Scripture"Sacred Tradition." since the Scriptures"Sacred Traditions" themselves do not tell us infallibly what the canon "Sacred Tradition" is, we only can truly rely on an infallible Church to define the canon"Sacred Tradition." the Church using Sacred Tradition. so right away the doctrine falls apart.

Any final, infallible authority requires circular reasoning--(since logically, no higher authority can validate it but itself), which as you can see, applies to "Sacred Tradition" in the say way you attempted to apply it to scripture.

You can either rely on the written testimony of the Apostles themselves (the bible) or have faith that some (repeatedly, over and over and over) demonstrably corrupt (heard anything about homosexual predator priests being moved around lately??) institution is somehow, in some limited, undefined sense "infallible" in telling you that what (undefined) tradition mixed with the bible....says.

As for me and my house, we'll follow God's word, not that of an old, VERY FALLIBLE, human institution based in the pagan capital of the ancient world.

The writings of the apostles were scripture from the time the ink dried on the page--and didn't need official approval of the Bishop of Rome to become that way. They are the self-identified only final authority, the Word of God--which all of the Church is bound to obey.

74 posted on 02/08/2011 3:57:39 PM PST by AnalogReigns
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To: HossB86
I guess it’s like the whole “saint” thing—it takes fallible men to declare that a person is a saint by “canonization” when, really, that has already been done by God almighty IF the person in question was saved.

Canonization doesn't make men saints, it recognizes saints. It is a way for the Church Militant (the Church on Earth) to recognize those that have gone to Heavenly glory. And why is this important? Because 98% of the Christian world says a creed which includes "the communion of saints." They are part of the same Kingdom and same body of Christ and we venerate their memory and emulate their lives as Paul exhorted his readers to do with his own example.

75 posted on 02/08/2011 4:00:01 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: AnalogReigns
They are the self-identified only final authority, the Word of God--which all of the Church is bound to obey.

So says Pope AnalogReigns I

76 posted on 02/08/2011 4:03:10 PM PST by pgyanke (Republicans get in trouble when not living up to their principles. Democrats... when they do.)
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To: Gamecock; Cronos; Salvation

the best part of this thread is Gamecock is now on record as affirming the following Catholics as Christian:
Irenaeus
Tertullian
Cyril of Jerusalem
Gregory of Nyssa
Basil the Great
Athanasius
Augustine
Origen

next time he attacks the Catholic Faith, we can quotes at him from those he stipulates are Christian.


77 posted on 02/08/2011 4:04:52 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: AnalogReigns

please provide the “self identified” canon of Scripture you speak of.


78 posted on 02/08/2011 4:07:41 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: AnalogReigns

also, “bound to obey”
who is obeying Scripture concerning infant baptism, the Baptist or the Lutheran?
do we flip a coin or do we say doctrine doesn’t matter?


79 posted on 02/08/2011 4:10:28 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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To: AnalogReigns

who is obeying Scripture, the Reformed or the Methodist when it come to 5 point Calvinism?
again flip a coin or doctrine doesn’t matter?
who is obeying Scripture when it comes to the Eucharist, the Anglican or the Presbyterian?
Oneness or Trinity?

when all is said and done, your way leads everyone to be their own Pope, with a requirement to obey only what THEY think the Bible teaches. it denies Matthew 28 where Jesus gave the Church AUTHORITY to teach, it also gives us a requirement to believe and pass this teaching on.
this is what has happened for 2,000 years!


80 posted on 02/08/2011 4:19:51 PM PST by one Lord one faith one baptism
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