Posted on 02/08/2011 11:08:38 AM PST by Gamecock
“Canonization doesn’t make men saints, it recognizes saints. It is a way for the Church Militant (the Church on Earth) to recognize those that have gone to Heavenly glory.”
So... fallible men choose to recognize men as saints so that they can be ‘venerated’ — and the communion of the saints is not of those ‘canonized’ by Rome, but ALL those saved by faith through grace.
Hoss
Catholics aren't real big on evangelism though, are they? I think there are hordes of people in the same place I was but who never hear anything about the Catholic Church other than misinformation from the misinformed or outright anti-Catholic lies from people intent not on the saving of those who are Catholic but on destroying the Church.
we used to be! don’t forget, at one point the whole Roman Empire was pagan, in addition, Ireland, England, Germany, the Slavic people, the Nordic region, South America, Africa, Asia. the Church has lost its missionary zeal, it has been replaced by a powerless social gospel, it’s why the Cathedrals of Europe are like museums and this country will soon be the same way. don’t forget, we are all missionaries for Christ, witness for Christ always ( and sometimes use words! )
You most certainly did NOT base your arguments on Scripture. The very first Scripture you pulled out of the hat pertained to things that were NOT recorded. Period. ANd yet an entire religious system has been built around those "other things" that NO ONE can find in Scripture. That's the hideous beauty of a false religion. It can never be proven by the only thing God has left us to find Him: His Word. Therefore here comes the Immaculate Conception of Mary Implicit Scriptures, the Assumption of Mary Implicit Scriptures, the Peter was the first Pope Implicit Scriptures, the Popes at all Impllicit Scriptures, the Mary Queen of the Universe Implicit Scriptures, the pergatory implicit scriptures, the eucharist, etc. etc. I could go on with these "other things" that the RCC has concocted out of whole cloth, based purely on the grounds that "not everything was written in the Bible". Everything that was needed for man's salvation, justification, sanctification, security, past, present and future was given to us. And they are ALL EXPLICITLY STATED.
Your very first post tells me all I need to know about you. It's the things that God has NEVER said that you believe and trust in. Good luck with all that. And IF you ever stumble across some Scripture that actually and accurately backs up your claims, please, I'm all ears.
Rash-””I think there are hordes of people in the same place I was but who never hear anything about the Catholic Church other than misinformation from the misinformed or outright anti-Catholic lies from people intent not on the saving of those who are Catholic but on destroying the Church.””
The late Fulton Sheen summed this up beautifully on the mistakes people make who are misinformed.
“There are not over a hundred people in the United States who hate the Catholic Church. There are millions, however, who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church, which is, of course, quite a different thing.
If I were not a Catholic, and were looking for the true Church in the world today, I would look for the one Church which did not get along well with the world; in other words, I would look for the Church which the world hates.
My reason for this would be, that if Christ is in any one of the churches of the world today, He must still be hated as He was when He was on earth in the flesh.
If you would find Christ today, then find the Church that does not get along with the world.
Look for the Church that is hated by the world, as Christ was hated by the world. Look for the Church which is accused of being behind the times, as Our Lord was accused of being ignorant and never having learned.
Look for the Church which men sneer at as socially inferior, as they sneered at Our Lord because He came from Nazareth. Look for the Church which is accused of having a devil, as Our Lord was accused of being posessed by Beelzebub, the Prince of Devils.
Look for the Church which, in season of bigotry, men say must be destroyed in the name of God as men crucified Christ and thought they had done a service to God.
Look for the Church which the world rejects because it claims it is infallible, as Pilate rejected Christ because He called Himself the Truth. Look for the Church which is rejected by the world as Our Lord was rejected by men.
Look for the Church which amid the confusion of conflicting opinions, its members love as they love Christ, and respect it’s Voice as the Voice of it’s Founder, and the suspicion will grow, that if the Church is unpopular with the spirit of the world, then it is unworldly and if it is unworldly it is other-worldly...”
FULTON SHEEN
Don’t confuse them with the facts.
it would be good to understand Ephesians 4 before worrying about Sacred Tradition.
Of course you have proof of that number??
The saved are the body of Christ, not a denomination BTW :)
no, i was being kind, i have seen 25,000, 30,000, who knows, once the pride of man gets involved, there are no boundries.
BTW - the saved are in the Church, not outside.
Acts 2:47.
Yet anyone who reads the garbage that they offer either laughs or become livid at their audacity.
These sola scriptura types read the early church fathers and must twist the fathers' words since these same fathers have become a significant reason why many who exercise critical analysis are converting to Catholicism after studying these same fathers.
well said!
It would be even better to understand 2 Timothy 2:15 before claiming to understand Ephesians 4.
What you are describing is not sola scriptura, but rather nuda scriptura.
But then again this number has been irrefutably proved on these threads on numerous occasions but as Jesus said in Mk 8:18 or PS 135:16.
Hi P8triot,
actually, what we usually refer to it as is Private Judgement. Apropos of nothing you’ve said, but addressing the original article, the following is a fairly complete refutation of William Webster’s article. Read, and learn, please. And I mean that sincerely, not in a snarky way.
http://www.chnetwork.org/journals/sola/sola11.htm
Isn’t it odd, how these sorts of article never seem to mention the Holy Spirit? I wonder why that is....
Comic relief from frightened catholics; nothing more.
>> “What you are describing is not sola scriptura, but rather nuda scriptura” <<
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That is standard catholic ‘debate.’
Never acknowledge the actual situation, but set up a false case that you can easily demolish, and pretend that you have slain the dragon.
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If ignorance is bliss, then the sola scripura types must be overjoyed
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