Posted on 10/04/2010 12:57:36 PM PDT by Amerisrael
Art Vanick, co-author of The Spalding Enigma, Who Really Wrote The Book of Mormon, makes an appearance on Out of Mormonism to address the Glenn Beck Restoring Honor Rally.
Andy, Art, and Roger discuss the ramifications of the rally from a biblical Christian perspective.
Do Christians understand that Mormonism is different than biblical Christianity?
[ These are two separate "Out of Mormonism" radio podcasts from Mesa, Arizona. Very interesting.]
While Mormonism may not pose the violent / stealth and political threat that Islam does, from a spiritual standpoint, it is just as dangerous.
(Excerpt) Read more at outofmormonism.libsyn.com ...
No need to go back THAT far; as MORMONism is explained, quite well, in 2 Corinthians 11:14.
If you don't know the answer to the question; just SAY so!
Don't ask another one!
That is uncivil!!What did Calvin see was so untrue about Catholicism?
Seems that there were folks who SAW what JS did as well.
It ain't a purty picture...
Good luck!
HAve you found out anything from the ones in this thread?
What is your proof?
Amen!
Kill ‘em if you want to; we’ll do the baptizing for them after they’re gone.
I have posted here before that after much study, prayer and fasting, I received a message from the Holy Spirit that the Book of Mormon was not a message from God, that Joseph Smith's "revelation" was not from the spirit of God, and that Christ is the Savior of mankind. That Christ is with me always, and that HE is the only way to salvation through HIS grace, not through empty works or rituals.
This is MY testimony to all.
C'mon Norm, you must have more to go on than a feeling. Don't you even have some evidence?
Thanks
Nice spin.
“Spotlight Ministries, Vincent McCann, 2003
www.spotlightministries.org.uk”
I didn’t know that this was a Mormon Organization. I guess that would be like asking a Chevrolet dealer about purchasing a Ford. The Lord said “I have many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.”John 16:12 Meaning that even the Apostles weren’t ready for the doctrine Christ would reveal until they were ready by His reckoning. Maybe next time you can do some of your own research and essays.
“The logical implications of this are as follows: “
-If we are going to use logic then game on... all logic is going to prove is the need for Latter-day Prophets and Revelation.
“The Mormon doctrine of eternal progression teaches that God the Father was once a man, (John 5:19 - Jesus didn’t do anything except what he saw The Father do, Jesus has a body meaning the Father also has a body. Jesus was born therefore His Father was born too.) “...who progressed to Godhood through obedience to certain laws and ordinances.” (John 3:5, 7:17, 14:15 Part of this obedience involved getting married to a woman,(He certainly wasn’t to be married to a man) “The Heavenly Mother”, who gives birth to God’s spirit children, who are sent to earth to inhabit bodies of flesh and bone. These spirit children, if they are Mormons, remain obedient to the laws of the Mormon Church(The True Church) (John 14:15), and are married in the Mormon temple, have the potential to become gods themselves. They will produce spirit children and rule their own planet. This process is then repeated.”
-Are you or the author suggesting that we have everything that was uttered by Jesus Christ in the Bible and that there are or never were any other records of His Divine Ministry? I can’t wait to hear your explanation of that, MHG.
This type of “informed work” can be demonstrated against Christianity from an other than Christian perspective too. e.g. you mean to tell me that a virgin gave birth to a baby who then performed all kinds of magic tricks to gain followership, then somehow only appeared to his “followers” after he cheated death? your logic astounds me as does your choice of “research,” but I digress.
“If the present God and Father of this planet is worshipped and prayed to by His spirit children, and if Mormon males hope to become gods in the same way, their spirit children would likewise pray to and worship them!”
-Who says you can’t teach an old dog new tricks!? Logic dictates that, yes, when we become exalted (after this life) and take our place as joint heirs with Christ (Romans 8:16-17... but then again what would Paul know) we will take our place in the eternities and the cycle will continue.
“At this point it is worth bearing in mind that the Bible says nothing about an infinite number of god’s past and god’s to come. On the contrary, Isaiah 43:10 is very clear when God states: “Before me no God was formed and neither will there be one after me.” There was no god before God and there will certainly be no gods after Him. He is “the God of gods” (Deut. 10:17; Ps. 136:2; Dan. 2:4, 11:36). That is to say, although there are certainly so called “gods” in existence (1 Cor. 8:5), they are not true God by nature (Gal. 4:8). There is only one true God (John 17:3). ]”
-This is a perfect time to interject (again) the need for a Latter-Day Prophet and a Restoration of The Gospel. Genesis 3:22 (... Man has become as one of us...) Mormons also take Jesus at his word in John 10:34 (Jesus answered them , is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?) So how do you explain the obvious discord created by The Bible? There are more than these two verses that cover our divinity as children of God. All this demonstrates is the need for Latter-day Prophets.
“If families are to be sealed in the temple as a family unit, to be a “family forever”, what if one of those family members does not remain obedient to the Mormon faith? How can they remain together as a family, if some members of that family are disobedient?”
-We still make choices and even Christians believe that not everyone will be going to Heaven. This is at very best a ridiculous argument as if Mormons are the only ones who believe that ordinances broken will still absolve them (or family members) from their choices made in this life.
“—Bill McKeever of Mormonism Researched Ministry makes an interesting observation about eternal families. He asks how it can be that a Mormon family can stay together forever in eternity if, for example, the children of that family go on to become gods themselves and rule their own planets? Those family members could not be together if they are each ruling their own planets.”
Bill McKeever doesn’t understand the scriptures or basic logic. when your children move out of the house or when you moved out of your parents house (I am assuming you have) did that nullify your relationship to your parents/children? of course it doesn’t. To suggest such hogwash is complete ignorance on the part of the perpetrator.
Furtherore, in John 17:3, Jesus gives us the meaning of life “And this is life eternal, to know the only True God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” Jesus makes a clear distinction between Himself and The Father and clarifies that as being the thesis of eternal life, to know God.
There is no spin involved just a denial on your part.
Whatever you want to think. When I ask the Eternal Jesus or the created one, you answered created one. So thanks for that.
I believe in an Eternal Jesus.
Thank you so much for your encouragements, dear ejonesie22!
I think what the Gospel of Jesus Christ teaches me to. But nice deflection and drive-by.
“If you don’t know the answer to the question; just SAY so!”
I love the straightforward way you dodge the issue!
“Don’t ask another one!”
Elsie doesn’t like to be questioned... I guess questions can only be directed at Mormons?
“That is uncivil!!What did Calvin see was so untrue about Catholicism?”
What is so uncivil about it? Protestants are called so because they protested the Papacy and Catholic Church not unlike The Prophet Joseph Smith questioning the religions of his day. The Early Reformers were out of line for protesting? to a Catholic yes but to a Protestant no. Wow, Elsie, just wow.
Hi TM4,
I have the proof I need; the testimony of the Holy Ghost.
God has also given another form of proof:
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/bm/thrwtnss
These testimonies, along with the Book of Mormon itself are, according to the Lord, sufficent to stand as a witness to the world. See Ether Chapter 5 in the Book of Mormon:
http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ether/5
Elsie, I love your hit and run posting. Seriously.
“No need to go back THAT far; as MORMONism is explained, quite well, in 2 Corinthians 11:14.”
2 Corinthians 11:14 - And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
-So, Satan is two personages now with bodies of flesh and bone? When was he born and who was his mother? good to know, I will keep a watch out for that.
Keep swinging for the fence slugger... big whiffa!
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