“Spotlight Ministries, Vincent McCann, 2003
www.spotlightministries.org.uk”
I didn’t know that this was a Mormon Organization. I guess that would be like asking a Chevrolet dealer about purchasing a Ford. The Lord said “I have many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.”John 16:12 Meaning that even the Apostles weren’t ready for the doctrine Christ would reveal until they were ready by His reckoning. Maybe next time you can do some of your own research and essays.
“The logical implications of this are as follows: “
-If we are going to use logic then game on... all logic is going to prove is the need for Latter-day Prophets and Revelation.
“The Mormon doctrine of eternal progression teaches that God the Father was once a man, (John 5:19 - Jesus didn’t do anything except what he saw The Father do, Jesus has a body meaning the Father also has a body. Jesus was born therefore His Father was born too.) “...who progressed to Godhood through obedience to certain laws and ordinances.” (John 3:5, 7:17, 14:15 Part of this obedience involved getting married to a woman,(He certainly wasn’t to be married to a man) “The Heavenly Mother”, who gives birth to God’s spirit children, who are sent to earth to inhabit bodies of flesh and bone. These spirit children, if they are Mormons, remain obedient to the laws of the Mormon Church(The True Church) (John 14:15), and are married in the Mormon temple, have the potential to become gods themselves. They will produce spirit children and rule their own planet. This process is then repeated.”
-Are you or the author suggesting that we have everything that was uttered by Jesus Christ in the Bible and that there are or never were any other records of His Divine Ministry? I can’t wait to hear your explanation of that, MHG.
This type of “informed work” can be demonstrated against Christianity from an other than Christian perspective too. e.g. you mean to tell me that a virgin gave birth to a baby who then performed all kinds of magic tricks to gain followership, then somehow only appeared to his “followers” after he cheated death? your logic astounds me as does your choice of “research,” but I digress.
“If the present God and Father of this planet is worshipped and prayed to by His spirit children, and if Mormon males hope to become gods in the same way, their spirit children would likewise pray to and worship them!”
-Who says you can’t teach an old dog new tricks!? Logic dictates that, yes, when we become exalted (after this life) and take our place as joint heirs with Christ (Romans 8:16-17... but then again what would Paul know) we will take our place in the eternities and the cycle will continue.
“At this point it is worth bearing in mind that the Bible says nothing about an infinite number of god’s past and god’s to come. On the contrary, Isaiah 43:10 is very clear when God states: “Before me no God was formed and neither will there be one after me.” There was no god before God and there will certainly be no gods after Him. He is “the God of gods” (Deut. 10:17; Ps. 136:2; Dan. 2:4, 11:36). That is to say, although there are certainly so called “gods” in existence (1 Cor. 8:5), they are not true God by nature (Gal. 4:8). There is only one true God (John 17:3). ]”
-This is a perfect time to interject (again) the need for a Latter-Day Prophet and a Restoration of The Gospel. Genesis 3:22 (... Man has become as one of us...) Mormons also take Jesus at his word in John 10:34 (Jesus answered them , is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?) So how do you explain the obvious discord created by The Bible? There are more than these two verses that cover our divinity as children of God. All this demonstrates is the need for Latter-day Prophets.
“If families are to be sealed in the temple as a family unit, to be a “family forever”, what if one of those family members does not remain obedient to the Mormon faith? How can they remain together as a family, if some members of that family are disobedient?”
-We still make choices and even Christians believe that not everyone will be going to Heaven. This is at very best a ridiculous argument as if Mormons are the only ones who believe that ordinances broken will still absolve them (or family members) from their choices made in this life.
“—Bill McKeever of Mormonism Researched Ministry makes an interesting observation about eternal families. He asks how it can be that a Mormon family can stay together forever in eternity if, for example, the children of that family go on to become gods themselves and rule their own planets? Those family members could not be together if they are each ruling their own planets.”
Bill McKeever doesn’t understand the scriptures or basic logic. when your children move out of the house or when you moved out of your parents house (I am assuming you have) did that nullify your relationship to your parents/children? of course it doesn’t. To suggest such hogwash is complete ignorance on the part of the perpetrator.
Furtherore, in John 17:3, Jesus gives us the meaning of life “And this is life eternal, to know the only True God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.” Jesus makes a clear distinction between Himself and The Father and clarifies that as being the thesis of eternal life, to know God.
Folks, this eternal progression (or should we better characterize it as eternal regression since the implications are that retrograde godhood preceeded the current god and who knows what it will be in the future gods of mormonism 'exaltation?) is not Christianity.
The poster affrims his belief in this polytheistic system of gods, BUT, the poster then turns and tries to obfuscate what he has just affirmed he believes on the nature of God (or should that be 'god'?). This ability to hold two opposite beliefs is not unusual in a mormonism apologist, but it is revealing when exposed.
I will address directly, point by twisted point, if killer wants me to, or if readers would like the exercise in detail. But reading the response, one gets the feeling that several apologists collaborate to offer this response, due to the disjunct nature of the points misaligned.
Did you ACTUALLY place LOGIC and LDS in the same sentence?
Can WE use 'logic' to analyze MORMONism; too?
Ok, going on from my post above where you take issues with the "worship" part of the definition of Polytheism (then turn around and say LDS worship both the father and your Christ, two separate gods) you now take it even further.
So we have Exalted Mormons who have Mormon children who of course are Mormons, worshiping their God parents, whom I would think it is safe to say they believe in as well.
So now, if we can safely assume that at least a few Mormons since 1830ish time period have exalted, we have at least a few planets out there populated by Mormons worshiping AND believing in their local god(s) (The plural assuming another "son" was made a savior locally)
So we have the definition of Polytheism, from Dictionary.com (among others) as you and at least one other Mormon has given:
the doctrine of or belief in more than one god or in many gods.
The definition that you say initially was being obfuscated by MHGinTN but now you have VERIFIED twice with your statements as being true by BOTH portions of the given and agreed upon definition.
I don't expect a redaction of the obfuscation charge or even a reasoned response, indeed I expect spin and blather trying to point out MY obfuscation, lack of knowledge, and limit intellect, along with some patronizing insults, but there is always hope.