Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
[View video in original here or on Youtube. Will not show in FR.]
Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
Rom 8:8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Non-Christians cannot please God. They are in the flesh. The Bible does tend to be "authoritative" from time to time. If this makes you uneasy then you should ask yourself why.
LOL! So which is it? "Honestly" or "through a Reformed perspective"? ;-)
Seriously, the more you depend on (without elaborating on) a text from "the Reformed perpective," the more baffling your point will be to those who don't share that perspective. And this is a major deficiency of the "proof text" as argument -- there's waaaay too often an equal and opposite, or at least divergent, "proof text" available, even apart from the range of understandings that may have been offered for individual texts.
There are probably whole books (or at least whole chapters) written on precisely what St. Paul meant by "in the flesh." I have no way of knowing what your precise understanding is unless I'm told. And you sound as if you can identify with precision just who is and is not in the flesh. I'm unpersuaded.
"At least the favored ones" sums it all up!
JA should be maryz, sorry
It doesn't seme to be among the "favorite ones" with some, does it? Hey, if someone paid your bill, why worry about the other guy, right? :)
That's right, Harley, a big LOL indeed.
ok, thanks for that clarification. That makes more sense than the idea that we have some free will for everything except rejecting / accepting God.
“At the end, we both realized while our views are not the same, they are close” —> True.
I’ve been explicitely told on these threads that the four Gospels were written for Jews ONLY (for use after the “Rapture”), so keep in mind that some people who claim to be Christians don’t even think “Love thy neighbor as thyself” even applies to them.
Where in the Augsburg Confessions does it say "Not so" to predestinaiton to hell?
Obviosuly, there are other Lutheran assemblies that teach different things, so which is the "true" Lutheran sect?
And yes we do believe in Sola Fide. Faith in God is what saves, but that doesn't mean you just say “I have faith” and do nothing else.
But Luther said that it makes no difference if you commit a thousand fornications a day, as long as you believe in Christ you have nothing to worry about.
You can't blame God for being a drunk or an adulterer, you made that choice
Well, I am told that this world is either according to God's will or is not. Which is it?
Frankly, the Old Testament is a difficult "read" for me as to whether the writing is to be taken as literal, symbolical, or a combination. I have the same difficulty with Revelation and freely admit I have not studied, or even read, either one in depth.
As for Genesis 5:
You may note the extensive list of men who lived 900+ years with Methuselah topping the list at 969. Literal?
Enoch was the baby on this list; being "taken" at the tender age of 365. I won't quibble with the "explanation" he was "taken" to heaven. After all, my argument concerned the life and death of Jesus. (New Testament) There is no New Testament record, even hint, of anyone being taken to heaven nor an indication that such would happen until the Second Coming.
IMO your list of "Saints" is purely a man made, imaginary list. None has been raised. Mary hasn't been raised. NONE!
I ask you to show any instances of Jesus, during His time on this earth, raising a single "Saint" to Heaven.
Since the Church does not do it either, what is the relevance?
Am I to assume the "list" of Saints is nothing but wallpaper?
You, on the other hand, have many New Testament era "Saints" in Heaven. Who "raised" them if not MEN?
The Church raises nobody to Heaven. We do not "have" or "raise" people anywhere; neither do we condemn them to hell. That is for Jesus the Christ. I'm still a little puzzled as to where you are going here.
I am going nowhere with the list of Saints. I believe it is fictional. Do you?
Is it a recognition of salvation? Do you imagine the Church would recognize a Saint who is not saved and is destined for Hell?
Human rationalizations have no limit.
**Isn’t it stunning that Roman Catholics believe they must suffer self-inflicted pain in order to be indwelt by the Holy Spirit?**
I will pray for you since it appears that you do not fast from food or other vices — even during Lent.
Do you ever go to an Ash Wednesday Mass and then wear the ashes on your forehead for the remainder of the day? It is a sign of self-moritification. I have been teased unmercifully by classmates because I had the ashes in the form of a Cross on my forehead.
Thank you. Did someone publish her letters or diary? Where are you getitng this from?
I have been discussing the same subject with MarkBsnr and have replied on post #'s 6892 & 6893.
Here, from 2007...
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1655415,00.html
“A new, innocuously titled book, Mother Teresa: Come Be My Light (Doubleday), consisting primarily of correspondence between Teresa and her confessors and superiors over a period of 66 years, provides the spiritual counterpoint to a life known mostly through its works. The letters, many of them preserved against her wishes (she had requested that they be destroyed but was overruled by her church), reveal that for the last nearly half-century of her life she felt no presence of God whatsoever — or, as the book’s compiler and editor, the Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk, writes, “neither in her heart or in the eucharist.”
“The book is hardly the work of some antireligious investigative reporter who Dumpster-dived for Teresa’s correspondence. Kolodiejchuk, a senior Missionaries of Charity member, is her postulator, responsible for petitioning for her sainthood and collecting the supporting materials. (Thus far she has been beatified; the next step is canonization.) The letters in the book were gathered as part of that process...”
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