[OLD REGGIE]

I'm afraid that post answers nothing. I did ask redgolum for the Biblical reference(s) to Enoch and have not yet received an answer.

I will not presume to speak for someone else, but I did post the relevant verses from Genesis 5:22-24.

Thanks for your reply. redgolum replied and also cited Genesis 5 as the source for Enoch being in heaven.

Frankly, the Old Testament is a difficult "read" for me as to whether the writing is to be taken as literal, symbolical, or a combination. I have the same difficulty with Revelation and freely admit I have not studied, or even read, either one in depth.

As for Genesis 5:

You may note the extensive list of men who lived 900+ years with Methuselah topping the list at 969. Literal?

Enoch was the baby on this list; being "taken" at the tender age of 365. I won't quibble with the "explanation" he was "taken" to heaven. After all, my argument concerned the life and death of Jesus. (New Testament) There is no New Testament record, even hint, of anyone being taken to heaven nor an indication that such would happen until the Second Coming.

IMO your list of "Saints" is purely a man made, imaginary list. None has been raised. Mary hasn't been raised. NONE!

I ask you to show any instances of Jesus, during His time on this earth, raising a single "Saint" to Heaven.

Since the Church does not do it either, what is the relevance?

Am I to assume the "list" of Saints is nothing but wallpaper?

You, on the other hand, have many New Testament era "Saints" in Heaven. Who "raised" them if not MEN?

The Church raises nobody to Heaven. We do not "have" or "raise" people anywhere; neither do we condemn them to hell. That is for Jesus the Christ. I'm still a little puzzled as to where you are going here.

I am going nowhere with the list of Saints. I believe it is fictional. Do you?

[MarkBsnr]

Frankly, the Old Testament is a difficult "read" for me as to whether the writing is to be taken as literal, symbolical, or a combination. I have the same difficulty with Revelation and freely admit I have not studied, or even read, either one in depth.

The East is even more wary of Revelation than the West. And I agree that the Pentateuch and Revelation are difficult even for the learned.

IMO your list of "Saints" is purely a man made, imaginary list. None has been raised. Mary hasn't been raised. NONE!

The point of declaring Sainthood has nothing to do with raising.

Am I to assume the "list" of Saints is nothing but wallpaper?

No, why would you?

I am going nowhere with the list of Saints. I believe it is fictional. Do you?

No, of course not, any more than you would consider a list of temporal court decisions to be fictional.