Posted on 08/27/2010 11:45:13 AM PDT by Hank Kerchief
The ultimate intention of Catholicism is the restoration of the Holy Roman Empire. That has always been the ambition, at least covertly, but now it is being promoted overtly and openly.
The purpose of this article is only to make that intention clear. It is not a criticism of Catholics or Catholicism (unless you happen to think a Catholic dictatorship is not a good thing).
The most important point is to understand that when a Catholic talks about liberty or freedom, it is not individual liberty that is meant, not the freedom to live one's life as a responsible individual with the freedom to believe as one chooses, not the freedom to pursue happiness, not the freedom to produce and keep what one has produced as their property. What Catholicism means by freedom, is freedom to be a Catholic, in obedience to the dictates of Rome.
The Intentions Made Plain
The following is from the book Revolution and Counter-Revolution:
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"B. Catholic Culture and Civilization
"Therefore, the ideal of the Counter-Revolution is to restore and promote Catholic culture and civilization. This theme would not be sufficiently enunciated if it did not contain a definition of what we understand by Catholic culture and Catholic civilization. We realize that the terms civilization and culture are used in many different senses. Obviously, it is not our intention here to take a position on a question of terminology. We limit ourselves to using these words as relatively precise labels to indicate certain realities. We are more concerned with providing a sound idea of these realities than with debating terminology.
"A soul in the state of grace possesses all virtues to a greater or lesser degree. Illuminated by faith, it has the elements to form the only true vision of the universe.
"The fundamental element of Catholic culture is the vision of the universe elaborated according to the doctrine of the Church. This culture includes not only the learning, that is, the possession of the information needed for such an elaboration, but also the analysis and coordination of this information according to Catholic doctrine. This culture is not restricted to the theological, philosophical, or scientific field, but encompasses the breadth of human knowledge; it is reflected in the arts and implies the affirmation of values that permeate all aspects of life.
"Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church.
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Got that? "Catholic civilization is the structuring of all human relations, of all human institutions, and of the State itself according to the doctrine of the Church." The other name for this is called "totalitarianism," the complete rule of every aspect of life.
This book and WEB sites like that where it is found are spreading like wildfire. These people do not believe the hope of America is the restoration of the liberties the founders sought to guarantee, these people believe the only hope for America is Fatima. Really!
In Their Own Words
The following is from the site, "RealCatholicTV." It is a plain call for a "benevolent dictatorship, a Catholic monarch;" their own words. They even suggest that when the "Lord's Payer," is recited, it is just such a Catholic dictatorship that is being prayed for.
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Two Comments
First, in this country, freedom of speech means that anyone may express any view no matter how much anyone else disagrees with that view, or is offended by it. I totally defend that meaning of freedom of speech.
This is what Catholics believe, and quite frankly, I do not see how any consistent Catholic could disagree with it, though I suspect some may. I have no objection to their promoting those views, because it is what they believe. Quite frankly I am delighted they are expressing them openly. For one thing, it makes it much easier to understand Catholic dialog, and what they mean by the words they use.
Secondly, I think if their views were actually implemented, it would mean the end true freedom, of course, but I do not believe there is any such danger.
And double predestination says it’s your fault for being born that way.
It is as if God punishes those born without legs for not being able to walk.
“I’ll omit the last sentence in the spirit of fellowship”
Is that the sentence that calls the Pope the Anti-Christ?
Just today I heard a former Presbyterian minister say that those words were in the Westminster Confession.
In the original it states that the Pope is the Antichrist, that the Catholic mass is a form of idolatry, that civil magistrates have divine authority to punish heresy, and outlaws marriage with non-Christians.
At the very least, most Christians believe that God has always known whether or not a man would be saved. Or else He's not omniscienct. He's not God.
If, at the moment of creation, God has "known" a person's destiny, is that "destiny" not fixed in stone?
Scripture tells us that God has called a particular people to Himself. And that people He will save. We have His promise in Scripture that He will give us the Holy Spirit to lead our education and guide our sanctification as we move ever closer to Him. That sanctification includes understanding truth from error.
Do men understand all truth? No. All men are fallen and as Paul says, we sin every day. But we are being refined, according to His purpose in creating us, which is to glorify Him in thought, word and deed.
So we can be reasonably certain that God is aligning His children according to the truth of His word. From my perspective, that does not include veneration of Mary as co-redeemer or following "another Christ" or thinking that sins are perpetually committed and forgiven over and over in an endless sacrifice for sins when Hebrews tells us clearly that Christ's one-time sacrifice on behalf of His sheep has been accepted by God as sufficient to repay the debt, and that God graciously remembers our sins no more.
Are Roman Catholics saved? Some probably are.
Calvin said "Although the devil has long reigned in the papacy, yet he could not altogether extinguish God's grace: nay, a Church is among them."
I could agree with that.
That’s them. They’re in the original 1646 version, but not in the modern versions.
You guys have to make up your minds. Does double predestination "make God the author of sin" or does double predestination "say it's your fault for being born that way?"
The answer is neither. God is not the author of sin, and yet God ordains all things, being the first cause of everything in all time and space. He's God. All existence is sustained by His will.
All men are fallen and all "deserve" condemnation. But God has graciously chosen for Himself a people to redeem by the death and resurrection of His Son.
All men are responsible for their sin. But only Christ is responsible for their salvation.
Oh freddled gruntbuggly/thy micturations are to me
As plurdled gabbleblotchits on a lurgid bee.
That wasn't the question.
Does it matter, can it possibly matter in one's salvation whether one is a full-bore believing Catholic or not? According to predestination - no.
Or else He's not omniscienct.
Omniscience isn't the point either. It is Calvin's god's double predestination: that some are doomed in the womb and some are saved in the womb. And nothing can change that.
Exhorting people to join a "bible believing" church can have no effect on their salvation either - whether they do or do not. Else double predestination is false.
If double predestination is true, your posts here, not to mention Jesus's entire ministry are only exercises in futility.
cool, so when you find additional proof for your link to “Archangel Michael = Jesus”, do drop by
No man can choose to reject sin and embrace righteousness until and until God determines to regenerate that man by the free gift of the indwelling Holy Spirit. A man must be born again to know the things of God. And that rebirth is God's call, not men's.
Paul anticipated your objections and answered them in Romans 8 and 9.
Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?" -- Romans 9:20-21 "Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
“This Church is holy, the one Church, the true Church, the Catholic Church, fighting as she does against all heresies. She can fight, but she cannot be beaten. All heresies are expelled from her, like the useless loppings pruned from a vine. She remains fixed in her root, in her vine, in her love. The gates of hell shall NOT conquer her.”St. Augustine, Sermon to Catechumens, on the Creed, 6,14, 395 A.D.
It's a minor point that I started to correct but didn't - Double Predestination says you're doomed, Calvinism says it's your fault.
All men are fallen and all "deserve" condemnation. But God has graciously chosen..
Yep, it's your fault you, but some get a reprieve, and there is absolutely no difference between the two groups. But it's not a gracious god that dooms all, and saves some - in the womb. It is a capricious god, pre-OT capricious.
All men are responsible for their sin.
You cannot be held responsible for something you have no choice and no possible effect upon. You cannot be held accountable for not being able to walk if you have no legs. Merciless.
The god of Calvin is unjust.
This is what gives rise to atheism. An capricious unmerciful unjust punishing God.
God did not pause at Adam and eve and than create everyone else differently or God can be moved from perfection.Thus God would lack perfection from eternity
That means that men by free will become evil since God from created all things good,thus putting an end to Calvin's theory of God predestining people to hell and man having no free will.
Check mate !... end of story!
Saint Augustine would despise calvin and calvinism on Eucharist alone!
All man or all God. Calvinism is blind to the third possibility. Can't even see it.
Of course we cannot be saved without God's grace. Paul also said work out your own salvation.
God doesn't create trash or robots. And robots cannot be held accountable for anything.
So your question about churches is somewhat moot. A man who is being led by the Holy Spirit will not join a church where lies and errors are preached. If he does, it will be temporary and it will somehow serve him to better know the truth when it is presented to him because "all things work for the good of those who love God, who are 'the called' according to His purpose."
What you're also missing about double predestination is that those who are not saved DO NOT WANT TO BE SAVED. They are all similar to Christopher Hitchens, content to be ignorant of God's will and happy to rebuke Him.
The fact that a man WANTS to know God and obey God and love God is evidence that that man is being called by God and brought to Him by the Holy Spirit.
If double predestination is true, your posts here, not to mention Jesus's entire ministry are only exercises in futility.
Certainly on face value it may feel that way. But when you read the Bible you see predestination printed on every page. Thus you don't answer any of the Scriptural points I'm giving you. You just repeatedly protest it's "unfair!"
Start here. Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?
I thank God I will be held accountable for the good works of Christ within me. I could never merit salvation on my own. It is all Christ, according to the will of God.
“ good non-Catholic posting “? are posters like HarleyD, redgolum, Mr. rogers etc, who disagree with CAtholicism, yet can argue sanely, with courtesy and not resort to insults, false links to Wiccan priestesses (to pose as “catholic websites”), multi-colored fonts. It’s a pleasure to actually discuss and learn about the differences from these posters —> at the end, we may not agree, but we will at least leave with Christ’s peace, not the enemies hate as posts by the OPC group HERE do
Got that right. All men are fallen and all are sinners.
The only difference between the sinner and the saint is the free gift of God's mercy by the imputation of Christ's righteousness.
The god of Calvin is unjust.
Like I said, read Romans 9.
This is what gives rise to atheism. An capricious unmerciful unjust punishing God.
No, atheism is fostered by a belief in men's own abilities. When men empty themselves of the false presumption of their own righteousness, they are then and only then able to be filled with the righteousness of Christ.
Don’t the OPC have a fourteen page excerpted Bible with illustrations?
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