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To: D-fendr
And double predestination says it’s your fault for being born that way.

You guys have to make up your minds. Does double predestination "make God the author of sin" or does double predestination "say it's your fault for being born that way?"

The answer is neither. God is not the author of sin, and yet God ordains all things, being the first cause of everything in all time and space. He's God. All existence is sustained by His will.

All men are fallen and all "deserve" condemnation. But God has graciously chosen for Himself a people to redeem by the death and resurrection of His Son.

All men are responsible for their sin. But only Christ is responsible for their salvation.

4,466 posted on 09/13/2010 11:20:32 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Does double predestination "make God the author of sin" or does double predestination "say it's your fault for being born that way?"

It's a minor point that I started to correct but didn't - Double Predestination says you're doomed, Calvinism says it's your fault.

All men are fallen and all "deserve" condemnation. But God has graciously chosen..

Yep, it's your fault you, but some get a reprieve, and there is absolutely no difference between the two groups. But it's not a gracious god that dooms all, and saves some - in the womb. It is a capricious god, pre-OT capricious.

All men are responsible for their sin.

You cannot be held responsible for something you have no choice and no possible effect upon. You cannot be held accountable for not being able to walk if you have no legs. Merciless.

The god of Calvin is unjust.

This is what gives rise to atheism. An capricious unmerciful unjust punishing God.

4,472 posted on 09/13/2010 11:31:41 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
God is not the author of sin, and yet God ordains all things,

Then who or what is the author of sin? And did this who/what author sin through the exercise of a free will or because God ordained the who/what to author sin? In other words, did the who/what author sin in accordance with, or in defiance of, God's sovereign will?

4,487 posted on 09/13/2010 11:56:22 PM PDT by kevao
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