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To: D-fendr
Paul tells us that the way men know their salvation is to hear the word of God with new ears given by God. That's why the preaching of the Gospel is our Christian responsibility. We preach the word of God to all men, confident that those who are His will hear the word and respond in faith.

So your question about churches is somewhat moot. A man who is being led by the Holy Spirit will not join a church where lies and errors are preached. If he does, it will be temporary and it will somehow serve him to better know the truth when it is presented to him because "all things work for the good of those who love God, who are 'the called' according to His purpose."

What you're also missing about double predestination is that those who are not saved DO NOT WANT TO BE SAVED. They are all similar to Christopher Hitchens, content to be ignorant of God's will and happy to rebuke Him.

The fact that a man WANTS to know God and obey God and love God is evidence that that man is being called by God and brought to Him by the Holy Spirit.

If double predestination is true, your posts here, not to mention Jesus's entire ministry are only exercises in futility.

Certainly on face value it may feel that way. But when you read the Bible you see predestination printed on every page. Thus you don't answer any of the Scriptural points I'm giving you. You just repeatedly protest it's "unfair!"

Start here. Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?

4,475 posted on 09/13/2010 11:37:19 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (("I don't think they want my respect; I think they want my submission." - Flemming Rose)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
A man who is being led by the Holy Spirit will not

Again, not the question. The question, again, was if he is already saved will becoming a believing Catholic have any effect on salvation.

We preach the word of God to all men, confident that those who are His will hear the word and respond in faith.

You should be confident that if double predestination is true nothing you can say or do makes any difference - or is it "man that saves" now?

You're also missing about double predestination is that those who are not saved DO NOT WANT TO BE SAVED.

What your missing is their "wants" have nothing to do with it. Does Calvin's god choose who is doomed based on wants" Or does who he chooses to doom determine their wants? It's all God, right?

when you read the Bible you see predestination printed on every page.

Give a Calvin a bible and sola scriptura and that's what you get. Read it with Jesus message of God loves you and you will see something quite different.

You just repeatedly protest it's "unfair!"

Calvin's god is manifestly unfair. He engages in blood feud and condemns in the womb, creates those who are doomed to burn. Unjust, unfair, capricious, cruel, sinning and hateful.

Double predestination makes so much sense to some - if they hide their eyes from what they are saying about God.

Did God know everything that would ever occur in time at the moment of creation?

Again, omniscience is not the question. The question is does man have some choice, can he repent? In Calvinism, God does everything, is responsible for every sin or rejection of sin - predetermined from the womb.

God does it all. And man either gets rewarded for it or burned for it.

4,482 posted on 09/13/2010 11:48:48 PM PDT by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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