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Malaysia hearings start in Catholic 'Allah' fight
SF Gate ^ | December 14, 2009

Posted on 12/14/2009 6:10:49 AM PST by Gamecock

Edited on 12/14/2009 8:41:30 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Lawyers for the Roman Catholic Church urged a court Monday to let Christians use "Allah" as a translation for God and overturn a government ban that has become a symbol of religious grievances in Muslim-majority Malaysia.

The High Court began hearing legal arguments in the dispute, which began in late 2007 after the government blocked non-Muslims from translating God as "Allah" in their literature, saying it would confuse Muslims.


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TOPICS: Catholic; Current Events; General Discusssion; Islam
KEYWORDS: allah; catholicmorons; god
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To: Gamecock

While I understand why the Catholic Church wishes to do this in this part of the world, I say this as a Roman Catholic... Allah is not the Christian God.

Allah is Satan fooling folks into thinking he is God. The Muslim faith is Satans greatest ploy.


21 posted on 12/14/2009 9:01:50 AM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: Heliand

the islamists would beg to differ- ALLAH is God’s personal name... He told Mohammed so..... off with your head

the etymology of all’ah seems to be in dispute- some say the term “allah” is derived from elohim or someother term for Supreme deity- others suggest the name “allah” is derived from the name of a pagan moon god who became “the one God” by triumph over a pantheon of lesser deities

NO ONE knows. The interpretations seem to vary according to the agenda (pro or anti muslim). A someone said, the name “allah” has got hijacked by folks who are definitely not on the same road to the same God as Judeao-Christians- despite what George Bush 43 said

Pre Abrahamic pagans worshipped pantheistically too- but we are not now demanding name substitutions into the Bible

when “allah” is shown to be a deity who considers mankind worthy of sending a son incarnate to live in humility, and to let Him be sacrificed crudely by a species who would tear his flesh apart and cheer about it - then all’ah “might” be the same deity as recognized by Abraham

I think this whole Malaysia Christian Arab thing with the Catholic church is a smokescreen to get “alla” inserted into the Bible - where he has not existed by that name before... it is not just about a name for God

backing away now, and leaving up for further discussion


22 posted on 12/14/2009 9:37:13 AM PST by silverleaf (More folks being invited to the White House for Holiday parties than are being sent to Afghanistan)
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To: silverleaf
I still don’t buy that the “arabic” concept for God matches the traits of Jehovah

The Muslim (not arabic) concept of God is quite incompatible with the Christian (or, IMO, Jewish) concept of God.

The word "Allah" (literally, "the God") is simply the standard word in the Arabic language for God. All Arabic-speaking Christians use it.

23 posted on 12/14/2009 9:53:08 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: Heliand
In the Bible, God is referred to by the tetragrammaton (YHWH/IEUE/Jehovah/Yahweh as suits you) and Eloh/Elohim.

Yes, that's correct. I believe the word "Eloh" and similar words are cognate to "Illah" in Arabic. "Al Illah" (= "the god") is then elided to "Allah".

24 posted on 12/14/2009 9:55:23 AM PST by Campion ("President Barack Obama" is an anagram for "An Arab-backed Imposter")
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To: vladimir998
....Two and half years ago Alex Murphy actually posted the correct information in post #9 of this thread....I didn’t bother checking through the whole thread, apparently Alex Murphy never once responded to Pyro’s perfectly valid criticism....

I didn't bother checking the rest of your post.

25 posted on 12/14/2009 10:10:55 AM PST by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: GCC Catholic
Yes like the word gay being hijacked by the homosexuals, so Allah was co-opted by the Islamists as the name for their false god.

The word “Allah” now is the accepted term in general usage for that false god.

It should not be used to refer to the One Living God imo.

Their "god" is quite different from the Christian God.

26 posted on 12/14/2009 10:23:25 AM PST by Syncro (TPXIII coming this Spring! March 27th to April 15th 2010, GIANT Rally in DC : >)
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To: Alex Murphy

So, did you ever respond to Pyro’s valid criticism or not? You posted after he did, but did you respond to him?


27 posted on 12/14/2009 12:48:01 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; Pyro7480
So, did you ever respond to Pyro’s valid criticism or not? You posted after he did, but did you respond to him?

Read the rest of the thread and find out for yourself. Don't make me do your homework for you.

28 posted on 12/14/2009 1:32:04 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: Alex Murphy

You wrote:

“Read the rest of the thread and find out for yourself. Don’t make me do your homework for you.”

Better than that why don’t you just do the right thing and admit that you are STILL posting a distortion TWO YEARS after it was pointed out to you.

Can you admit that it is a distortion? Or will you just make an excuse or go on posting as if this wasn’t poined out to you (AGAIN)?


29 posted on 12/14/2009 1:52:34 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998; Pyro7480
Better than that why don’t you just do the right thing and admit that you are STILL posting a distortion TWO YEARS after it was pointed out to you. Can you admit that it is a distortion? Or will you just make an excuse or go on posting as if this wasn’t poined out to you (AGAIN)?

What I posted was an excerpt. Try reading the rest of the thread and find out for yourself. Don't make me do your homework for you.

30 posted on 12/14/2009 2:10:14 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: Alex Murphy
From your post I can conclude that you consider your honesty and accuracy to be a function of your readers' fact-checking discipline.

Yeah, that fits.

31 posted on 12/14/2009 2:12:45 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Alex Murphy

You wrote:

“What I posted was an excerpt.”

So it’s not a distortion because it’s an excerp? What? It still says that a catholic news agency said XYZ when in reality it WAS AN IRANIAN NEWS AGENCY. You think it being an excerpt some how changes that reality?

“Try reading the rest of the thread and find out for yourself. Don’t make me do your homework for you.”

I’m not. I’m asking you about NOW. You posted a post in this thread. It is a distortion you were called on more than two years ago. Do you at least admit that it is a distortion or will you continue to dodge?

By the way, I just checked through this entire thread - easy enough when it’s only 30 some odd posts long - and saw that you no where took responsibility for posting this distortion: “To quote a Catholic news organization, “Our Lady of Fatima is really Fatima, daughter of the Prophet Mohammed,” EVEN THOUGH YOU WERE CALLED ON EXACTLY THIS DISTORTION MORE THAN TWO YEARS AGO.

Will you now admit that what you posted is a distortion or will you continue to dodge that simple question?


32 posted on 12/14/2009 2:58:55 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: vladimir998
By the way, I just checked through this entire thread - easy enough when it’s only 30 some odd posts long - and saw that you no where took responsibility for posting this distortion

Try reading the rest of the thread I linked to and find out for yourself. Do I need to tie your shoes for you and pin a note to your collar as well?

33 posted on 12/14/2009 3:31:48 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: Alex Murphy

You wrote:

“Try reading the rest of the thread I linked to and find out for yourself.”

I’m not asking you about the other thread. I am asking you about this one. This is at least the second time I have pointed that out.

“Do I need to tie your shoes for you and pin a note to your collar as well?”

No, all you need to do is show me where in this thread your acknowledgement that you’ve respeatedly posted a distortion. Where in this thread do you make that admission? Since everyone would recognize that the ‘excerpt’ is a distortion for it makes a completely false claim, one would think it would be easy to admit the obvious. Please show the moral worth of Reformed Christianity.


34 posted on 12/14/2009 3:56:40 PM PST by vladimir998
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To: Petronski; Alex Murphy

I think we’re about to find out whether or not Reformed Christianity has actually had any affect on its biggest FR proponent.


35 posted on 12/14/2009 3:59:01 PM PST by vladimir998 (Reformed Christianity is worth exactly....)
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To: vladimir998; Petronski
I think we’re about to find out whether or not Reformed Christianity has actually had any affect on its biggest FR proponent.

The Euro Cafe is sponsored in part by HP.

36 posted on 12/14/2009 4:05:28 PM PST by Alex Murphy ("Though He slay me, yet will I trust Him" - Job 13:15)
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To: Alex Murphy

I’m always amazed to hear the skunk complain that the picnic is ruined.


37 posted on 12/14/2009 4:20:58 PM PST by Petronski (In Germany they came first for the Communists, And I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist...)
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To: Gamecock

OKKKKKKKK....

We know there is Mary. What are the names of the other 69 wives? ;O)


38 posted on 12/14/2009 4:41:44 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: Petronski; Venturer
"... in a land where the name of God is not spelled G-O-D, but rather A-L-L-A-H? Then what would you call Him?

How about Jesus? But then you're libel to get your head chopped off.

Pretty poor excuse.

39 posted on 12/14/2009 4:43:28 PM PST by HarleyD
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To: vladimir998; Alex Murphy; All
It’s really interesting to see how anti-Catholics here at FR and at other sites invent, distort and spread anti-Catholic nonsense.

Oh blah, blah, blah. Honestly, it's as if you Catholics cut-and-paste this comment into every post that sheds light upon misdeeds in the Church. One would hope that you would be incense with the problems rather than shooting the messengers. No wonder you have pedophile priests running around. If anyone said anything we would probably hear that it's just more "anti-Catholic nonsense".

40 posted on 12/14/2009 4:49:56 PM PST by HarleyD
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