Posted on 08/15/2008 1:47:27 PM PDT by greyfoxx39
Thanks for the ping, cc. Will read and (maybe) offer my .02.
Regards
Thanks for the ping. This is very interesting. I’m going to read it again tomorrow, so I can better absorb it. This has been a long day, and I think sleep is about to overcome me.
The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions 1, FAIR Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVAqXOvN9ag
The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions 2, FAIR Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCZXooasVkk
The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions 3, FAIR Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHF6AIgfv2s
The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions 4, FAIR Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htfKW7s70nQ
The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions 5, FAIR Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lU4ZqoDsrCc
The Fallacy of Fundamentalist Assumptions 6, FAIR Conference
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkXFXtyqD_A
Thanks, greyfoxx.
Thanks for the ping!
Bushman? Surely you jest. I just went to a "fireside" that our Stake sponsored where he spoke on these and other JS issues for 2 hours. This was 3 weeks ago, in the heart of Mormondom, and there wasn't an empty seat in the chapel, let alone the overflow, and the cultural hall had chairs all the way to the back.
He is hard to book because of similar engagements all over Utah and elsewhere. If you think the Church is trying to stifle him, think again.
May I suggest his new book to you, Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling. This biography of Joseph Smith, delving deeply into the history, warts and all, can be picked up at any Church owned Deseret Book.
You might actually enjoy it.
I have not seen the original copy!
Brother Bushman was the one who has given me my patriarch blessing (1989) an in these last few months so much of what was he spoke has manifested in my life!
What exactly is mobbing?
According to authors Noa Davenport, Ruth Schwartz and Gail Elliott in Mobbing: Emotional Abuse in the American Workplace (Civil Society Publishing, 2004):
Mobbing is an emotional assault. It begins when an individual becomes the target of disrespectful and harmful behavior. Through innuendo, rumors, and public discrediting, a hostile environment is created in which one individual gathers others to willingly, or unwillingly, participate in continuous malevolent actions to force a person out of the workplace.
These actions escalate into abusive and terrorizing behavior. The victim feels increasingly helpless when the organization does not put a stop to the behavior or may even plan or condone it.
As a result, the individual experiences increasing distress, illness, and social misery…Resignation, termination, or early retirement—the negotiated voluntary or involuntary expulsion from the workplace—follows. For the victim, death—through illness or suicide—may be the final chapter in the mobbing story.
Financial consequences also can be a part of the mobbing; personnel reviews often are intentionally used to justify little to no salary increases or lack of retention.
Joseph Smith: Rough Stone Rolling? Hardly a new book, I read it about two years ago.
The very fact of the seminar being held is quite astonishing to me.
" The members of the seminar on “Joseph Smith and His Critics,” a group of Religious Education and CES faculty who met at BYU for six weeks in the summer of 2008, are among those who have known Latter-day Saints in this state of confusion and doubt. We have had many opportunities to talk to questioners about their problems and admit that we have often fallen short in our answers. We came together in hopes of learning to do better. Besides gathering information on a series of specific issues, we have discussed how best to deal with questioning Saints. What way of speaking is most likely to win their trust and convince them we have their best interests at heart?"
Thank you, Elsie.
So true - I used to tell friends that getting out of the Mormon church is like trying to get out of the mafia. Especially if you have LDS relatives who adhere to the blood atonement rituals of the LDS church. A friend of mine, back in the day when I worked for Exxon had kept hidden in his home a former Mormon who was fearful for his life and who had other Mormon relatives killed for defying “the one true church” </sarc> - if you don’t lose your life you will surely lose familial relationships (as I did). The blood atonement concern is only valid if you were actually baptized in the Mormon church. If you were not, fear not, they’ll just get baptized for you after you die in one of their baptism of the dead rituals. I cling to that verse where Jesus says that “anyone who believes in Me is your mother, father, sister, brother ...” and he also says that his word divides families. I gladly pick him over those clinging to false doctrine, no matter what the cost.
Misery loves company. Come on down to the party!
Wish I were able to attend the party.
A little blurb for your efforts:
The Thunderbird Foundation for the Arts Art Program for People with Special Needs is located at the Maynard Dixon Home and Studio, which is on the National Register of Historic Places in Mt. Carmel, Utah.
Link
About The Thunderbird Foundation for the Arts
Mission Statement
The Thunderbird Foundation for the Arts is a non-profit organization furthering Maynard Dixon's legacy by preserving his Utah property and educating the public about his contributions to American art through educational tours of his home, internships for working artists, workshops and artist retreats in addition to workshops and day camps for people with special needs.
6/18/08 • Camp Kostopulos at the Thunderbird Eight creative artists and their two counselors from Camp Kostopulos arrived at the Maynard Dixon Historic Site on Wednesday, June 11 from Salt Lake City.
6/18/08 • Camp Kostopulos at the Thunderbird
In 1963, Dan Kosptopulos, with the help of other community leaders, dedicated 25 acres in Emigration Canyon for the enjoyment and development of "all handicapped individuals".
You "nasty, miserable ex-mormon" you!
I hereby bear testimony of the truthfullness of that statement!
Are you saying Elsie you are part of the secularist?
I always thought you were anti LDS but that you still believed and committed to God
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“You already know MORE about God and Christ and the plan of salvation than any who would ATTACK you.”
I would hope someone who believed in the Lord would know about their faith.
The LDS lessons have always been on those counsel in the Bible
COME FOLLOW ME
Matt. 16: 24
24 ¶ Then said Jesus unto his disciples, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow dme.
Matt. 19: 21
21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.
Mark 8: 34
34 ¶ And when he had called the people unto him with his disciples also, he said unto them, Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me.
Mark 10: 21
21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.
Luke 9: 23
23 ¶ And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his across daily, and bfollow me.
Luke 18: 22
22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the apoor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
John 21: 22
22 Jesus saith unto him, If I will that he atarry till I come, what is that to thee? follow thou me.
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and also Jesus said “LEARN OF ME”
Matt. 9: 13
13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.
Matt. 11: 29
29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
John 6: 45
45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.
"The Sentinel"
By Charles Muench
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