FLDS Parents Could Face Charges for Abandoning their "Lost Boys"

KCPW News ^ | February 14, 2008

[Zakeet]

They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.

"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."

H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.

"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."

Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.

[fproy2222]

Whoops...this was to you, lady lawyer.
So...How do us non-Mormons get to be saved Christians, lady lawyer?

What is salvation and how do we obtain it?

You won’t answer this simple question , either, lady lawyer?

Why won’t the Mormons on this thread answer this question?

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May I respond?

Jesus took unto Himself all the sins of the world, and because of that, after we die, we will all be resurrected into Heaven.

[sevenbak]

Would one of the Mormonism apologists like to explain why the sect in question is not accepted in the LDS fold?

The main reason is the priesthood of God, and line of authority. It’s the same reason other Christian church baptisms and ordinances are not considered valid within the LDS church.

Here’s something from LDS.org that may help you to understand it.

Priesthood Keys

The exercise of priesthood authority in the Church is governed by those who hold priesthood keys (see D&C 65:2; 124:123). Those who hold priesthood keys have the right to preside over and direct the Church within a jurisdiction. For example, a bishop holds priesthood keys that enable him to preside in his ward. Therefore, when a child in that ward is prepared to be baptized, the person baptizing the child must receive authorization from the bishop.

Jesus Christ holds all the keys of the priesthood. He has given His Apostles the keys that are necessary for governing His Church. Only the senior Apostle, the President of the Church, may use (or authorize another person to use) these keys for governing the entire Church (see D&C 43:1–4; 81:2; 132:7).

The President of the Church delegates priesthood keys to other priesthood leaders so they can preside in their areas of responsibility. Priesthood keys are bestowed on presidents of temples, missions, stakes, and districts; bishops; branch presidents; and quorum presidents. A person who serves in one of these positions holds the keys only until he is released. Counselors do not receive keys, but they do receive authority and responsibility by calling and assignment.

Exercising the Priesthood Righteously

Priesthood holders must remember that the priesthood should be a part of them at all times and in all circumstances. It is not like a cloak that can be put on and taken off at will. Any ordination to a priesthood office is a call to lifelong service, with the promise that the Lord will qualify priesthood holders to do His work according to their faithfulness.

Priesthood holders must be worthy in order to receive and exercise priesthood power. The words they speak and their everyday behavior affect their ability to serve. Their behavior in public must be above reproach. Their behavior in private is even more important. Through the Prophet Joseph Smith, the Lord declared that “the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness” (D&C 121:36).

In short MHGinTN, the offshoot groups have rejected the valid line of authority of the LDS church. They take upon themselves the rights of the priesthood, which no man should, and they deny the Apostolic calling of those of the LDS church, the reality of temple worship, and the ordinance of the restored gospel of Jesus Christ. You asked, I don't expect you to agree, nor do I intend to argue. Cheers.

[andysandmikesmom]

You surely are quite obsessed with me...its funny...

[restornu]

At least you have humor!:)

[Tennessee Nana]

You will save yourself a lot of wear and tear if you stop preaching at me, because frankly, I am not interested in what you have to say, slanted by your own viewpoint...

It really is just that simple...
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See # 300

[fproy2222]

Since the N T says there will be true teachers and true Prophets, where are they?

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Does answering that question somehow give credibility to Joseph Smith, who is not?

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If, as you say that this Church is not guided by God through his Prophets, I need to find His true Prophets.

Do you know of any?

[andysandmikesmom]

I already did see your post...as I said, you are obsessed with me, and it is funny...

[pby]

Thanks for the reply...

I hope that foregiveness, grace and mercy will pervail in your situation...so that you can attend a good Bible-believing church and have the edifying experience of Christian fellowship that is so necessary in our Christian walk.

I am glad that my tone and manner came through as kind...

It has been somewhat misconstrued on this thread.

[Elsie]

Did Old Mountain Man condone plural marriage and state that plural marriage involving teenage girls was not child abuse?

I have no idea.

[fproy2222]

Which Christian Church has it right?

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Which Mormon church has it correct? Why should we accept that the one you claim is more right than the one which is topic of this thread?

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not an answer for the question;;;;;;;

again;;Which Christian Church has it right?

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You are as handy as a broken record. Have a nice evening with your dissembling games.

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Why will you good christian folks not tell me which Christian Church really has it right by your thoughts.

And please, no more of the lists of churches that have conflicting teachings. Just the one right church by your beliefs.

[pby]

This is no such thing as Mormon doctrine!

Tell that to Apostle Bruce McConkie, he wrote a substantial document by that exact title. :)

Thanks, Godzilla.

Oh, boy...restornu just ain't battin 1000 on this one.

[Elsie]

Ergo.....they are not Christian, by definition.

Just like the FLDS bunch:

Ergo.....they are not Mormon, by definition.

[andysandmikesmom]

Thank you for your kind thoughts and best wishes for me...it is appreciated and taken to heart..

As I said, you were just fine, your tone and manner to me, were both excellent...

[nicmarlo]

And in do so, we also get a good look at you...you expose yourself...so it works both ways, as it should....and the last laugh may just be on you...folks will see that you have decided that you have the authority to judge who is and who is not a Christian...

That's exactly right; they are learning that I know the Scriptures and do not hesitate to state the truth, no apologize for a lie.

What ‘truth’ you seek to proclaim, is merely the ‘truth’ as you personally happen to see it...lurkers and other posters will of course, take that for what it is worth...and may vehemently disagree with you...

The Truth isn't what someone owns or personally sees. Joseph Smith "personally saw" something and claims it's "the truth." But it is not. The words of Mormon leaders are thus:

"virtually all the millions of apostate Christendom have abased themselves before the mythical throne of a mythical Christ"
(McKonie; Mormon Doctrine, p. 269)

"The traditional Christ of whom they [non-Mormons] speak is not the Christ of whom I speak"
(Hinckley; LDS Church News Week 6/20/98, p.7)

Something is either the truth or it is a lie. The truth: Christ's deity has been denied. In fact, according to Mormon doctrine, Jesus is a creation, the product of relations between god and his goddess wife who used to be people from another world (Mormon Doctrine by Bruce McConkie, pp. 192, 321, 516, 589). Jesus is the literal spirit brother of Satan/Lucifer as well as each and every person (McConkie, pp, 192, 589). According to Mormon doctrine, God has a body of flesh and bones (Doctrine & Covenants, 130:22.) as does his wife and together they produce spirit offspring in heaven who inhabit human bodies on earth.

These things put Christ down into creature being rather than Creator. Furthermore, according to Mormon doctrine, there is no trinity; they claim the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are separate, individual beings. The evangelical, pentecostal, non-denominational, as well as, denominational Christians (such as the Catholics) are in agreement: God is a triune God: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are One.

John 1:1

In the beginning was the Word,
and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Hebrews 1:

1 In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the
prophets at many times and in various ways,
2 but in these last days He has spoken to us by His Son,
whom He appointed Heir of all things, and through whom He
made the universe.
3 The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the
exact representation of His being, sustaining all things by
His powerful word. After He had provided purification for
sins, He sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven.
4 So He became as much superior to the angels as the name He
has inherited is superior to theirs.

5 For to which of the angels did God ever say,
"You are My Son;
today I have become your Father"? Or again,
"I will be his Father,
and he will be My Son"?

6 And again, when God brings His firstborn into the world,
He says, "Let all God's angels worship him."
7 In speaking of the angels He says,
"He makes his angels winds,
His servants flames of fire."
8 But about the Son He says,
"Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever,
and righteousness will be the scepter of Your kingdom.

"Isaiah 43:10,11. Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD [Jehovah] and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God [Elohim] formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD [Jehovah]; and beside me there is no savior.

Note from these verses that there are several things which God wants us to know, believe, and understand: (1) There is only one God (Elohim) and Jehovah is that one true God. (2) There were no Elohims formed before Jehovah. This means that Jehovah does not have a Father. That is, no God (Elohim) preceded him, by whom He was procreated. (3) There will be no Elohims formed after Jehovah. Therefore, when God said no gods would be formed after him, it must mean no real, true Gods.

any lurkers remain lurkers, simply because they do fear going into the fray, and do want to be set upon, by others telling them that they can be ‘Christian’ if and only if, they come up to some other posters personal standards of what determines who is and who is not a Christian...

The "personal standards" are those according to Christ's Words, which they may either accept or reject.

So it does please me quite a bit, that you continue on, in this way, everyone can make up their mind about you, and about me, and about everyone on this thread and every other thread...that is good..nothing funny or hilarious about it, as you have tried to intimate...

Oh good, I'm so glad they can 'come to know us' and what we each stand for, or not. And thanks again for providing the opportunity for me to post the Truth. It makes my day! : )

[Elsie]

 

You do know that they dont believe the Christian Bible ????

 

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Articles of Faith

The Articles of Faith outline 13 basic points of belief of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Prophet Joseph Smith first wrote them in a letter to John Wentworth, a newspaper editor, in response to Mr. Wentworth's request to know what members of the Church believed.
They were subsequently published in Church periodicals.
They are now regarded as scripture and included in the Pearl of Great Price.

 

 

 

THE ARTICLES OF FAITH
OF THE CHURCH OF JESUS CHRIST OF LATTER-DAY SAINTS
History of the Church, Vol. 4, pp. 535—541

 

 

1. We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
2. We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
3. We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
4. We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
5. We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
6. We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
7. We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
8. We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
9. We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
10. We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
    
11. We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
    
12. We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
    
13. We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.

Joseph Smith

[restornu]

One can read anything one want into this post, but it is being taken out of context because it is dealing many different facets non related to this discussion, so this was a waste of your unchristian like time TN!

[Tennessee Nana]

Acts 10:42 And he commanded us to preach unto the people, and to testify that it is he which was ordained of God to be the Judge of quick and dead.

Philippians 4:9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do...

John 9:4 As long as it is day, we must do the work of Him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work.

Colossians 3:9 Lie not one to another, seeing that ye have put off the old man with his deeds;

James 1:22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.

2 Timothy 1:8 Be not thou therefore ashamed of the testimony of our Lord, nor of me his prisoner: but be thou partaker of the afflictions of the gospel according to the power of God;

2 Timothy 1:13 Hold fast the form of sound words, which thou hast heard of me, in faith and love which is in Christ Jesus.

2 Timothy 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.
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And He (Jesus ) said unto them (and us) “go into all the world and preacxh the Gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptisted shall be saved and he that believeth not shall be damned Mark 16:15, 16

[Elsie]

I accept Christ as my savior, but I don’t accept all your doctrines. You have attempted to define “Christianity” as accepting a particular set of doctrines, so as to exclude those who are believers in Christ, but who don’t agree with you on other things. I reject your definition. Whether I am a Christian is between me and my Savior.

And if a Colorado City FUNDY had written this...

I accept Christ as my savior, but I don’t accept all your doctrines. You have attempted to define “MORMONISM” as accepting a particular set of doctrines, so as to exclude those who are believers in Christ, but who don’t agree with you on other things. I reject your definition. Whether I am a MORMON (or not) is between me and my Savior.

[nicmarlo]

You have in the past chose to judge other FReepers in their opinions but hold on to your own opinions as your exclusive property...From the thread..Out of Control: AIDS and the corruption of medical science (a must read)...

Interesting how much we can learn about others....isn't it?

[Godzilla]

pby asked:
According to Mormon doctrine, what is salvation and how does one go aboout getting it?
And once you have done that...can you also tell us what the doctrines of hell and exaltation are, as well?

resty responded:
Please share why you think with your hostile approach I should share anything with you if all you want to do is faultfind which is not of the Lord.

Resty, you sure are being testy tonight. pby asked you these questions straight out, nothing added. Are you unable to answer or just unwilling. If unable, please say so, if unwilling, then take some time off and watch a movie, because you are wound up tighter that a cat in the middle of a raceway and your hostility is not adding to the discussion.