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Posted on 02/22/2008 9:11:12 AM PST by Zakeet
They're called the "Lost Boys," the teenagers kicked out of their homes and communities by leaders of the polygamist Fundamentalist Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints to ensure there's an ample supply of single, young women who will one day become plural wives. Representative Lorie Fowlke (R-Orem), is running a bill to make this abandonment a felony.
"Estimates are that we've had more than 1,000 children - primarily in southern Utah - thrown out of their homes," Fowlke says. "What we were trying to do with this bill is criminalize this behavior and send a message to this community that they can't just throw away their children."
H.B. 23 adds child abandonment to the definition of child abuse, and makes it a felony crime. It also adds an enhancement if a parent or organization benefits from the child's abandonment to further an illegal enterprise, such as polygamy. This is the case with the FLDS church, says Roger Hoole, a lawyer who represents some of the displaced young men and sits on the board for the Utah Association for Justice. He says the church benefits from kicking out young men who would compete for plural wives. This, he says, has devastating consequences.
"There's a huge impact that's coming, like a tsunami, that's going to hit the state of Utah, when these boys get a little older and realize what has happened to them and get angry," Hoole says. "There's a real problem here."
Fowlke's bill gained unanimous support in a Senate committee this morning, and now heads to the full Senate for consideration.
' That's patently false. The first time I ever recall posting on a Mormon thread, which, IIRC, had to do with this very subject concerning boys being kicked out of their homes, and I responded to a ZAKEET post, making comment/asking a question concerning it, you, out of the blue, because of that, called me a GOSSIP, among others things, concerning the Mormon religion.
I think that he was referring to you.
Did Old Mountain Man condone plural marriage and state that plural marriage involving teenage girls was not child abuse?
“FC, you are coming really close to personal abuse with that smarmy comment that you have to know is a lie.”
Oh come now, smarmy is thy middle name OMM. I merely pointed out a fact, anyone who questions whether you are truly Christian will be attacked, however when FLDS claim to be true Mormon they will also be attacked, an irrational position.
If that is a lie, then what you are saying (if you understand my point clearly) is that you accept the claims of FLDS that they are true Mormon. Otherwise you are ‘guilty’ of the same type of judgment as those who believe LDS are only peripherally Christian.
So, in part, when you equate Mormon's belief of salvation with Orthodox Christianity's belief of salvation, everyone knows that there is a significant difference and that you are not talking "apples to apples".
And...so that it is clearly stated by a Mormon with no room for anyone to later claim anti-mormon bias.
Which, being translated, means:
"We question honesty".
“because they aren’t true Mormons.”
[They aren’t. Either they never were members of the LDS church in the first place, or they have been excommunicated.]
Therefore LDS aren’t Christian for the same reason. Or does the logic fully escape you?
“Christian” isn’t a denomination or a particular church. It is a description of denominations that believe in Christ. Your analogy doesn’t work.
Being Christian is believing in a particular Christ.
The Christian religion share the belief in the same particular Christ.
The Mormons do not.
Ergo.....they are not Christian, by definition.
I have been in many LDS threads before and I have no other handle.
To some, my questioning may have been "repellent"...to others , it might just be persistent because of the lack of answers.
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Suffice it to say that Mormons are not "true Christians."
If anothers salvation is important to others, I doubt that any Mormon would be comoforted by this, in the way it has been presented to them, by many, on this thread...
On the other hand, I would have to say, that Mormons as well, find others salvation to be of importance, thus, we see their evangelizing efforts, especially among the young men in their church, who go on their two year missions, here and in many other countries as well...
All religions, evangelize and try to gain new converts, always with having in mind, that they are concerned for others salvation...the Mormons are no different than any other religion in this respect...
You say they are being deceived by their leaders...I have heard others on other religious threads in this forum, say that all non-Catholic Christians, are being deceived by their leaders, because they have broken away from the ‘one true Catholic church’...I have heard others say, no, it is exactly opposite, it is the Catholic Christians that are being deceived by their leaders, headed up by the Pope...
Every single religion, does seem to say it is concerned about the salvation of all others of various religions, other than their own, but it seems, that they think salvation is found only within their own particular ‘church’....
That cult is to Mormonism what People’s Temple was to Protestants.
To some, my questioning may have been “repellent”...
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I think Resty meant “compelling”
And of course Resty will answer such honest, direct questions...
That is just your opinion, and nothing more...
But the Word of God says:
"And they said, 'Believe on the Lord Jesus, and you shall be saved, you and your household.' And they spoke the word of the Lord to him together with all who were in his house. And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household." (Acts 16:31-34).
I am the way (highway) and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me."-John 14:6
The "church" is the believers of Christ; not a building.
Do you know what the mormons believe ???
You do know that they dont believe the Christian Bible ????
restornu refuses to tell us what the Mormon doctrine is related to salvation. He/she has been asked several times but will not tell us what it is...Would you be willing?
According to Mormon doctrine, what is salvation and how does one go aboout getting it?
And once you have done that...can you also tell us what the doctrines of hell and exaltation are, as well?
restornu won’t help there, either.
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Please share why you think with your hostile approach I should share anything with you if all you want to do is faultfind which is not of the Lord.
If you read the Bible Jesus never got hostile with those who were lost or stuck on OT, Yes Jesus did tell the SOP depart from his Temple.
But to those who were loyal to their faith he answered their questions, and there were times Jesus did not answer questions.
In Jesus time their were many religious sects but he did not ostersize them.
He treated his followman fairly and try to persuade them to come follow Him.
As I watch those here on FR who do osterzied others are they really following the ways Jesus taught?
My understanding has always been, that these splinter churches, who profess that they are LDS CHRISTIAN, and practice polygamy, MORMONISM are not considered to be LDS CHRISTIANS, by the main body of professing LDS CHRISTIAN believers...
I agree. The problem now seems to be there hasn't been much effort TO handle the problem, instead much turning a blind eye.
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