Click Video- Learn how DNA was able to sort out and match the DDS fragments
Posted on 09/15/2007 11:47:41 AM PDT by restornu
Click Video- Learn how DNA was able to sort out and match the DDS fragments
I’ll have to share that with my friends. (Did you know I am from Provo?)
Thanks. :)
“And let me ask this, why are threads on raisins allowed,”
LOL!
This is one aspect of Mormonism which I find disturbing, considering they reject the Trinity. The more I study Scripture, the more this indicates to me that Mormons seek guidance from spirits, but are insufficiently discerning to separate deception from election. Worse still, there are some who will intend to deceive as a mechanism to advance their perception of future security.
All men are sinners, so I don't begrudge a Mormon from still having the potential to come to God through faith in Christ on His grounds and not by a counterfeit perception of Christ, or by ulterior motives, but I find their intent to be confused or less than sincere through faith in Christ. Many are very moral and good, but without faith through Christ, such good works are merely parlayed into evil by the Adversary.
Thanks.
What happened to post 269? Is that what it was?
Oops, not 269, but 270.
There ought to be a law..
I can think of some that I’ve heard. (Not Mormons.)
LuWayne
LaVerda
LaManda
Lavina
*shudder*
In as far as the trinity is concerned, what I have asked for in many posts before hand is for anyone to explain how the definition of the trinity relates & coincides w/ a number of scriptures.
John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I". How can one be greater than the other if they are one in the same?
How about John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God". And of course there are all the scriptures where the Lord is praying to the Father (or to himself, according to many)or where the Father is speaking of the Son (the Lord's baptism by John the Baptist). And of course where the Lord gives a definition of "one" in John 17:11 "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are".
John 17:22-23 "22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." How do you rectify the STARK differences between what I believe man put together in the creeds & what the Lord himself described as "one" in the bible. Obviously, there are many more references I could cite but these are just a few examples scripturally that seem to refute the whole trinity concept.
So, if the trinity isn't definitive in the scriptures, how would one really KNOW the truth w/o going to the Lord & asking for it. I realize the trinity has been Christian dogma for centuries, but the world being flat was accepted dogma for a long time as well. Didn't make it true.
Wouldn't it be cool if there was a prophet on the earth as in days of old to clear up these kinds of issues? To set the record straight. The Lord never said prophets were no longer needed nor that we would never have one to lead us again. They had scriptures to guide them back then as well. All these different Christian Churches w/ all their different & competing doctrines.
Do you really believe we're left on our own to figure it all out? The Lord told us otherwise in the bible & I accept that. Isn't that really far from what the adversary would teach us?
It was the late 1970s when, in Bible college and seminary, we sat through lectures from at least two older Jewish-Christian scholars (that is, they had been raised and educated in Judaism and had met their Messiah, Jesus Christ, later) who spoke on the subject of how manuscripts were so meticulously copied by scribes before there were any printing presses. These lecturers focused on the rules and regulations binding on Old Testament scribes before Christ’s day. The rules were very strict.
These men spoke of how unintentional errors were corrected when copying manuscripts. According to those old Jewish men, when certain errors were made that could not be corrected, that manuscript was given a ceremonial burial as if people were being buried. The manuscript was, in affect, declared to be dead.
Those men both said that the manuscripts found among the Dead Sea Scrolls, found in a BURIAL place, would be examples of these. They are not useless to history or archeology, but they should not be used as a sure authority for deciding the authenticity or accuracy of any given passage of Scripture, because the likelihood of error in them is great.
The Jews of Jesus’ day, I believe, had preserved copies of the original books of the Hebrew Bible. Jesus read them in the synagogues and quoted from them without any criticism of them or attempt to correct any of them. And they were, in fact, HIS words.
You say you seek revelation. Then don’t ask me about the Trinity. Ask God the Father through faith in YahShua and He will reveal what you need through the Holy Spirit.
BTW, there is a person who can answer these questions. It’s God Himself through faith in Christ by the Holy Spirit.
OTOH, the Adversary would just love to have somebody answer these questions independent of faith through the Son as one with the Father. That affords the Adversary an opportunity to distract our thinking into believing in a counterfeit plan, such as those who think God the Father has a body and procreates or into thinking Jesus Christ was a created angel as Lucifer was.
Ping to comment on later
I wrote in response to several other posts that had slandered a long-deceased Mormon woman. When those posts were deleted, I thought mine should be too because I had copied the original slander in my post.
The reason for me asking you about the trinity wasn’t so that I could ascertain if it was true, the Lord has revealed that to me through the Holy Ghost. For someone seemingly so convinced in the trinity & convinced it’s backed scripturally, I’m disappointed at the attempt to show me why you think it is so other than to talk about a counterfeit plan.
Only one in the past has made a good attempt to explain, most blow it off as you did. I understand, it would be a tough one to explain though.
We believe in the God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. What we reject is the doctrine that they are three Persons in one Being. We see them as three Beings, perfectly united in love.
The more I study Scripture, the more this indicates to me that Mormons seek guidance from spirits,
I would disagree that we seek guidance from spirits; perhaps you are thinking of Spiritualism.
We seek guidance from the Father, in the name of the Son; most often, such guidance comes through the Holy Ghost.
… but are insufficiently discerning to separate deception from election. Worse still, there are some who will intend to deceive as a mechanism to advance their perception of future security.
Undoubtedly there are some Mormons who are insufficiently discerning, and some who would deceive. God will judge them according to their works and the desires of their hearts.
All men are sinners, so I don't begrudge a Mormon from still having the potential to come to God through faith in Christ on His grounds and not by a counterfeit perception of Christ, or by ulterior motives, but I find their intent to be confused or less than sincere through faith in Christ.
I would agree that Mormons have the potential to come to God through faith in Christ. Indeed, I believe that God offers every human being that same opportunity. I would also agree that counterfeit perceptions and ulterior motives can be obstacles. Unfortunately, the rest of what you wrote is unclear to me.
Many are very moral and good, but without faith through Christ, such good works are merely parlayed into evil by the Adversary.
Without faith in Christ, we are lost.
I look forward to your comment.
To encourage respectful, robust debate on the open threads I will continue to nip potential flame wars "in the bud."
Actually, you are wrong about that.
Am I? Let's look at your next sentence...
We just want people to know that we believe Jesus Christ is our Savior and the Savior of the whole world.
Gee, if I didn't know better, I'd say you just proved my point.
And it would be nice if “mainline” Christian church people would stop telling Mormons what they think we believe.
Which part did I have wrong? Baptism for the dead? Men becoming gods?
Either you are trying to be deceptive or don't know your Mormon doctrine. According to LDS doctrine, Moses did NOT see God the Father, but saw "Jehovah" (Jesus Christ before his birth in Bethlehem).
Either you are trying to be deceptive or don't know your Mormon doctrine. According to LDS doctrine, Moses did NOT see God the Father, but saw "Jehovah" (Jesus Christ before his birth in Bethlehem).
Who said Jehovah was not part of the Godhead?
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