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To: Logophile
"Indeed, we are encouraged to seek personal revelation to guide us through life."

This is one aspect of Mormonism which I find disturbing, considering they reject the Trinity. The more I study Scripture, the more this indicates to me that Mormons seek guidance from spirits, but are insufficiently discerning to separate deception from election. Worse still, there are some who will intend to deceive as a mechanism to advance their perception of future security.

All men are sinners, so I don't begrudge a Mormon from still having the potential to come to God through faith in Christ on His grounds and not by a counterfeit perception of Christ, or by ulterior motives, but I find their intent to be confused or less than sincere through faith in Christ. Many are very moral and good, but without faith through Christ, such good works are merely parlayed into evil by the Adversary.

304 posted on 09/18/2007 6:00:13 PM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Cvengr
It seems as though you study the bible. Is the bible not replete w/ the admonition to seek for these types of answers from the Lord through revelation by the Holy Ghost? The Lord tells us as noted earlier in James 1:5 as well as many other scriptures, that if we will come to Him in faith, w/ a sincere desire, he will answer those prayers. I don't understand how that can be such a tough concept to grasp for those that believe & study the bible. It's like, I'll believe the bible & it's teachings, but only if I'm reduced to figuring it out on my own DESPITE what the Lord says. If the Lord says to come to him w/ those questions, wouldn't your faith in Christ lead you to do so, regardless of what the "wise" have said for centuries?

In as far as the trinity is concerned, what I have asked for in many posts before hand is for anyone to explain how the definition of the trinity relates & coincides w/ a number of scriptures.

John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I". How can one be greater than the other if they are one in the same?

How about John 20:17 "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God". And of course there are all the scriptures where the Lord is praying to the Father (or to himself, according to many)or where the Father is speaking of the Son (the Lord's baptism by John the Baptist). And of course where the Lord gives a definition of "one" in John 17:11 "And now I am no more in the world, but these are in the world, and I come to thee. Holy Father, keep through thine own name those whom thou hast given me, that they may be one, as we are".

John 17:22-23 "22 And the glory which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as we are one: 23 I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved them, as thou hast loved me." How do you rectify the STARK differences between what I believe man put together in the creeds & what the Lord himself described as "one" in the bible. Obviously, there are many more references I could cite but these are just a few examples scripturally that seem to refute the whole trinity concept.

So, if the trinity isn't definitive in the scriptures, how would one really KNOW the truth w/o going to the Lord & asking for it. I realize the trinity has been Christian dogma for centuries, but the world being flat was accepted dogma for a long time as well. Didn't make it true.

Wouldn't it be cool if there was a prophet on the earth as in days of old to clear up these kinds of issues? To set the record straight. The Lord never said prophets were no longer needed nor that we would never have one to lead us again. They had scriptures to guide them back then as well. All these different Christian Churches w/ all their different & competing doctrines.

Do you really believe we're left on our own to figure it all out? The Lord told us otherwise in the bible & I accept that. Isn't that really far from what the adversary would teach us?

309 posted on 09/18/2007 7:07:48 PM PDT by Reno232
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To: Cvengr
This is one aspect of Mormonism which I find disturbing, considering they reject the Trinity.

We believe in the God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. What we reject is the doctrine that they are three Persons in one Being. We see them as three Beings, perfectly united in love.

The more I study Scripture, the more this indicates to me that Mormons seek guidance from spirits,

I would disagree that we seek guidance from spirits; perhaps you are thinking of Spiritualism.

We seek guidance from the Father, in the name of the Son; most often, such guidance comes through the Holy Ghost.

… but are insufficiently discerning to separate deception from election. Worse still, there are some who will intend to deceive as a mechanism to advance their perception of future security.

Undoubtedly there are some Mormons who are insufficiently discerning, and some who would deceive. God will judge them according to their works and the desires of their hearts.

All men are sinners, so I don't begrudge a Mormon from still having the potential to come to God through faith in Christ on His grounds and not by a counterfeit perception of Christ, or by ulterior motives, but I find their intent to be confused or less than sincere through faith in Christ.

I would agree that Mormons have the potential to come to God through faith in Christ. Indeed, I believe that God offers every human being that same opportunity. I would also agree that counterfeit perceptions and ulterior motives can be obstacles. Unfortunately, the rest of what you wrote is unclear to me.

Many are very moral and good, but without faith through Christ, such good works are merely parlayed into evil by the Adversary.

Without faith in Christ, we are lost.

315 posted on 09/18/2007 8:37:33 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: Cvengr
The more I study Scripture, the more this indicates to me that Mormons seek guidance from spirits, but are insufficiently discerning to separate deception from election.

Here's the test:

1 John 4
 
 1.  Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
 2.  This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God,
 3.  but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

337 posted on 09/19/2007 6:24:24 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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