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DNA and the Dead Sea Scrolls how do the pieces fit!
BYU TV ^ | 1998 | Scott Woodward

Posted on 09/15/2007 11:47:41 AM PDT by restornu

Click Video- Learn how DNA was able to sort out and match the DDS fragments



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To: Logophile
You won't say why you think so, but I gather that you believe it proves something about the LDS Church.

And you won't say why you think it's ok to do things that are not AUTHORIZED to do in your temples.

You have NO way to prove that what you are doing now is what GOD told someone in the past to do, if it's NOT 'written down' somewhere.

223 posted on 09/18/2007 5:50:19 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: sevenbak

I went to what ever Sunday morning is called. Also to some women things (by the way I really enjoyed) and the family weekly things at my uncles house.
I honored my uncle and aunt by attending these events because they took me in for a year and gave me free room and board my first year in college.


224 posted on 09/18/2007 5:57:25 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Adult Latter-day Saints who have been to the temple make sacred covenants to follow Christ. There, they receive what is called a “garment” to wear as a personal, private reminder of those covenants. It’s related to the Biblical concepts of priestly robes and vestments and “wearing the whole armor of God,” with the garment itself representing the garments God gave Adam and Eve in the garden of Eden.

The temple garment is modest underclothing. It’s not exactly Calvin Klein, but it’s not necessarily funny looking, maybe just a little more modest than usual. Promoting modesty is one of the intentions, I think, in addition to remembering covenants of integrity and virtue.

Mormons are not unique in the wearing of special clothing for religious purposes. Perhaps the most well-known example is the yarmulke, which is worn at special times by many Jewish men or at all times by devout orthodox Jews. Similarly, in some religions a minister or priest might wear a special collar that has religious significance, or nuns may wear special clothing that signifies the religious order to which they belong. In all cases the special clothing reflects the religious conviction of the wearer.


225 posted on 09/18/2007 6:02:39 AM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: restornu
I think you are incorrect. My family (ok the brought up thing) we always practice the looking forward...forward to the greatness of this country and keeping that way, looking forward to the salvation of multitudes....my mom used to say why look back the past is the past...just keep moving forward in God’s will.

Man, woman old young the vision is the same move forward in God’s will and do not be afraid or paralyzed by the past. However, if it is really that important for you to know ask me again and I will consider telling you.

226 posted on 09/18/2007 6:15:57 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Elsie

Get....post.
Thanks for the link and information.


227 posted on 09/18/2007 6:17:35 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Elsie

Good one.


228 posted on 09/18/2007 6:18:14 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Elsie
And you won't say why you think it's ok to do things that are not AUTHORIZED to do in your temples.

Ah, now I see the problem. You are laboring under the belief that something is authorized only if it recorded in in a book. (Are you perhaps one of the "sola scriptura" folks?)

In contrast, we believe that something is authorized if God tells us so; the revelation may or may not be written down later.

In some relatively rare cases, a written revelation may be presented to the Church for inclusion in the standard works; if accepted, such a revelation becomes binding on the entire Church. The process can take some time. For instance, the revelation of the redemption of the dead received by President Joseph F. Smith in 1918 was finally included in the Doctrine and Covenants (as Section 138) in 1976.

Our canon of scripture is not closed because the heavens are not closed. Consider the Ninth Article of Faith:

9 We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.

I expect many great and important things to be revealed that are not already written in the standard works.

You have NO way to prove that what you are doing now is what GOD told someone in the past to do, if it's NOT 'written down' somewhere.

Quite the contrary, we have the best proof of all: we can ask God himself. Through the Holy Spirit, we can know the truth of all things.

229 posted on 09/18/2007 6:19:43 AM PDT by Logophile
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To: svcw

For some reason you like cat and mouse coversations very well...

Have a nice day!


230 posted on 09/18/2007 6:39:56 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: restornu

IMHO, if the scientists are as honest about science as they are about Scripture we might end up with a convincing hair tonic ad.

The fundamental error in LDS theology is the rejection of the Word as the second person of the Godhead, as an uncreated person, who has authority given Him by the Father, that nobody comes to the Father but by Him.

Of fundamental importance in Christianity is the acceptance of Jesus Christ, as the Lord and Savior, also known as the Word, the Second person of the Godhead, one with the Father, never created, an uncreated single God, who as been from eternity past to eternity future. Any man or spirit which rejects this doctrine is not from Him, but a deceiving spirit.

Those who claim Joseph Smith saw the Father and the Son, fail to grasp basics in Scripture or intend to deceive.

Our Lord and Savior may indeed be a messenger, but not to be confused as a created angel.

He has been pre-existant and cocreator as the second person of the Trinity, still one God.

There may be lessor gods, but Christ, since the incarnation is also human and seated to the right hand of the Father.

1Jn 4:1-3
(1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

1Jn 4:12-13
(12) No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
(13) Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

Joh 1:18
(18) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Exo 33:20
(20) And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Joh 6:46
(46) Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.


231 posted on 09/18/2007 6:40:44 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: restornu

Ok, R.
It is up to you to decide.
You said it was important to know my age and gender, I explained why I did not think it was important.
I further stated that if you really wanted to know ask again and I would consider telling you seems clear to me.
Sorry that you think this is “cat / mouse”.


232 posted on 09/18/2007 6:44:38 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: svcw; Utah Girl; Reno232
Just an observant!

That you avoid and focus on something irrelevant to my reply on the fact of my report of how informed the LDS is about the word of God?

Post #177

233 posted on 09/18/2007 6:55:01 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: restornu
Let us go back, yes back.
I said the LDS (family and friends) I know do not know the Bible or very little.
That is the experience I come from.
It is not a reflection on you, your family or friends, it simply a reflection on the LDS I know.
I am unsure why this has alluded you. Having said that it has been clear from your post that you believe me to be ignorant, intolerant and bigoted toward LDS. You have every right to believe that and I have every right to believe you are deluded. So there we have, a stalemate.
234 posted on 09/18/2007 7:06:31 AM PDT by svcw (There is no plan B.)
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To: Logophile; Utah Girl; Reno232; Grig
You seem to think it important that you cannot find the temple ceremonies detailed in the LDS standard works. You won't say why you think so, but I gather that you believe it proves something about the LDS Church.

Well, it does prove something: not everything that is done by revelation in the Church is written down and included in the standard works.

Yet Log if he were to read and study the standard works he would fine a lot of what is said in the Temple is written down in scripture.

There are none so blind as those who will not see. The most deluded people are those who choose to ignore what they already know ~ John Heywood

Matthew 13
13 Therefore I speak to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand

Jeremiah 5:21
Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:

Isaiah 6:
9- And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear you indeed, but understand not; and see indeed, but perceive not.
10- Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.

235 posted on 09/18/2007 7:22:46 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: Saundra Duffy

Those sound very yummy enjoy the feast!:)


236 posted on 09/18/2007 7:24:44 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: Elsie

Well, perhaps for the very learned it appears to explain itself, but for the less learned such as myself, please explain. I see nothing in your highlighted version that explains what & where the stick of Joseph is definitively. Also, you seem to be using a translation other than the KJV. Is there a reason?


237 posted on 09/18/2007 7:31:51 AM PDT by Reno232
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To: Cvengr
The fundamental error in LDS theology is the rejection of the Word as the second person of the Godhead, as an uncreated person, who has authority given Him by the Father, that nobody comes to the Father but by Him.

This can be taken either way so please clarify so I understand what you believe or don't believe?

238 posted on 09/18/2007 7:36:03 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: Elsie

Israel isn’t hard to understand. What part of my question is? Where & what is the Stick of Joseph? Are you saying the stick is Israel? The bible pertains mainly to the tribe of Judah. Where is the book pertaining to the rest of Israel? The Stick of Joseph?


239 posted on 09/18/2007 7:39:57 AM PDT by Reno232
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To: Cvengr
Of fundamental importance in Christianity is the acceptance of Jesus Christ, as the Lord and Savior, also known as the Word, the Second person of the Godhead, one with the Father, never created, an uncreated single God, who as been from eternity past to eternity future. Any man or spirit which rejects this doctrine is not from Him, but a deceiving spirit.

Isa. 43:
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Jahovah (Jesus) who is the only begotten Son of Heavenly Father!

John 1:
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Heb. 11:
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

1 Jn. 4:
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

Here the word formed was used to describe how was formed in the belly.

Jer. 1:
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Here we have pre mortal existence of the Spirit of the Prophet Jeremiah!

240 posted on 09/18/2007 7:49:06 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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