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To: restornu

IMHO, if the scientists are as honest about science as they are about Scripture we might end up with a convincing hair tonic ad.

The fundamental error in LDS theology is the rejection of the Word as the second person of the Godhead, as an uncreated person, who has authority given Him by the Father, that nobody comes to the Father but by Him.

Of fundamental importance in Christianity is the acceptance of Jesus Christ, as the Lord and Savior, also known as the Word, the Second person of the Godhead, one with the Father, never created, an uncreated single God, who as been from eternity past to eternity future. Any man or spirit which rejects this doctrine is not from Him, but a deceiving spirit.

Those who claim Joseph Smith saw the Father and the Son, fail to grasp basics in Scripture or intend to deceive.

Our Lord and Savior may indeed be a messenger, but not to be confused as a created angel.

He has been pre-existant and cocreator as the second person of the Trinity, still one God.

There may be lessor gods, but Christ, since the incarnation is also human and seated to the right hand of the Father.

1Jn 4:1-3
(1) Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
(2) Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
(3) And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

1Jn 4:12-13
(12) No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth in us, and his love is perfected in us.
(13) Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

Joh 1:18
(18) No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Exo 33:20
(20) And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.

Joh 6:46
(46) Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.


231 posted on 09/18/2007 6:40:44 AM PDT by Cvengr (The violence of evil is met with the violence of righteousness, justice, love and grace.)
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To: Cvengr
The fundamental error in LDS theology is the rejection of the Word as the second person of the Godhead, as an uncreated person, who has authority given Him by the Father, that nobody comes to the Father but by Him.

This can be taken either way so please clarify so I understand what you believe or don't believe?

238 posted on 09/18/2007 7:36:03 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: Cvengr
Of fundamental importance in Christianity is the acceptance of Jesus Christ, as the Lord and Savior, also known as the Word, the Second person of the Godhead, one with the Father, never created, an uncreated single God, who as been from eternity past to eternity future. Any man or spirit which rejects this doctrine is not from Him, but a deceiving spirit.

Isa. 43:
10 Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen: that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me.

Jahovah (Jesus) who is the only begotten Son of Heavenly Father!

John 1:
18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

Heb. 11:
17 By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,

1 Jn. 4:
9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.

Here the word formed was used to describe how was formed in the belly.

Jer. 1:
5 Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations.

Here we have pre mortal existence of the Spirit of the Prophet Jeremiah!

240 posted on 09/18/2007 7:49:06 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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To: Cvengr
Those who claim Joseph Smith saw the Father and the Son, fail to grasp basics in Scripture or intend to deceive.

Our Lord and Savior may indeed be a messenger, but not to be confused as a created angel.

You forget that Moses did see God face to face and even return with a red face and covered his face

You say no man has seen God and that is true but God can elevate a man from his mortal status to a transfiguration for a period of time.

He has been pre-existant and cocreator as the second person of the Trinity, still one God.

Our ONE in mind, not a "3 in one oil" as you Trinity folks try to peddle. I been over this many times yet none of you really read and ponder the words.

God the Father has body parts, His only begotten Son in Flesh and Blood has a resurrected body now of flesh and bone eternal body have no need of blood it is a temporal things to live in he Kingdom of earth.

You have the Holy Ghost that is spirit no body parts all three are one in mind!

There may be lessor gods, but Christ, since the incarnation is also human and seated to the right hand of the Father.

I don't understand your description here?

241 posted on 09/18/2007 8:06:00 AM PDT by restornu (No one is perfect but you can always strive to be honest in all of your dealings!)
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