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Old Latin Mass Makes a Comeback (in St. Louis)
St. Louis Catholic Blog ^ | June 14, 2007

Posted on 06/14/2007 11:25:30 AM PDT by NYer


It seems the St. Louis Post-Dispatch has finally heard about the traditional Mass. The following story appears in today's edition--the headline, above, is theirs. My comments follow.

Old Latin Mass Makes a Comeback
By
Tim Townsend
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
06/14/2007


Melinda Scanga (left), of Jefferson County, prays during Latin mass at St. Francis De Sales Oratory. (Dawn Majors /P-D)

The church's windows are broken, its beige bricks are sooty, its paint is chipped. The 300-foot steeple, a hallmark of the St. Louis skyline, is pulling away from its foundation. One day it could tumble into traffic on Gravois Avenue.

St. Francis de Sales church, often called the Cathedral of South St. Louis, is an ideal home for a group of Roman Catholic priests devoted to restoration. But restoring this 19th-century neo-Gothic church to its former glory is only one reason St. Louis Archbishop Raymond Burke assigned the priests to oversee St. Francis de Sales.

The real mission of the group, called the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest, is the restoration of the traditional Latin Mass.

The 1,600-year-old Mass isn't used much today, but it's making a comeback.

That effort will get a boost Friday when Burke — one of the most devoted supporters of the old Latin rite among U.S. bishops — will ordain two deacons of the Institute at the Cathedral Basilica. Burke has ordained members several times in Italy, where the institute is based outside Florence. But Friday will mark the first time members of the 17-year-old institute will be ordained in the United States and the first time the traditional Latin liturgy will be used in an ordination here in more than 40 years.

Most of the world's 1 billion Catholics are familiar with the celebration of Mass in their own languages. The traditional Latin Mass, also referred to as the Tridentine Mass, Classical Latin Mass, Old Rite, Classical Roman Rite or Mass of Ages, was largely set aside by the church in the 1960s when the Second Vatican Council approved changes in the liturgy.

The Latin Mass is thick with pageantry, solemnity and symbolism and is often referred to as "smells and bells" for its generous use of incense and music.

A papal decree, which Vatican officials have said should be released soon, is likely to expand the use of the ancient Mass. The decree — called a motu proprio — is expected to allow any priest to celebrate the traditional Latin Mass without the permission of his bishop.

Vatican watchers say the decree could be released July 14, the date, in 1570, when Pope Pius V published the liturgical text that would be used to celebrate Mass for the next 400 years — until the reforms of Vatican II.

In today's church, priests are free to celebrate the post-Vatican II liturgy, or new order Mass, in Latin — though most don't. What a priest cannot do without the permission of his bishop is celebrate the traditional Latin Mass as it was structured, worded, sung and heard in 1962, the last time it was changed before Vatican II.

Audio slideshow of the Latin Mass


Because two generations of American Catholics are accustomed to hearing the Mass celebrated in English, it's unlikely most will want to switch to a liturgy that is longer, more formal and celebrated in a language they don't understand.

But some Catholics would welcome a choice.

Eric Kraenzle, 44, of Webster Groves and a member of St. Pius V parish in St. Louis, said he thought it was a good idea for the Vatican to expand the use of the traditional Latin Mass.

"It would be a nice option," he said. "I'm not sure it's for everyone because of the language barrier, but why not let people experience that tradition if they want to?"

In St. Louis, Catholics who love the traditional Latin Mass have a bishop who shares their feelings. Burke was the first bishop to bring the Institute of Christ the King to the United States when, as bishop of LaCrosse, Wis., he invited its priests into his diocese. He also established another group of religious men dedicated to the old Latin rite, called the Canons Regular of the New Jerusalem, while in Wisconsin. He has since moved that group to St. Louis.

Burke declined to be interviewed for this story.

The institute is a "society of apostolic life" within the church. Its priests are not quite part of a religious order, nor are they quite diocesan priests. They live in community as religious order priests do, but they take no vows.

A papal decision reinstituting the wider use of the church's ancient liturgy would be a celebratory moment for the Institute of Christ the King Sovereign Priest.

Monsignor Michael Schmitz, the institute's U.S. superior, has said the motu proprio "will be like seeing your mother all dusty and in rags on the streets; you go up to her and rip off the old dusty clothing and below that you see the golden clothes that she has brought for the most beautiful ball she has ever attended.

"Many of those Catholics who love the traditional Latin Mass are part of a younger generation, people who are seeking a connection with the ancient history of their faith, said the Rev. Karl Lenhardt, St. Francis de Sales rector. For instance, he said, the average institute priest (there are 50 around the world) is in his 30s, and the institute has 70 young men in various states of training.

The Rev. Eugene Morris, a theology professor at Kenrick-Glennon Seminary, said younger Catholics who have no memory of the old Latin Mass are attracted to the "traditional symbols and rituals that in some ways communicate more clearly the historicity and mystery of what we are celebrating."

Outside St. Francis de Sales on Sunday, Daniel Frasca, 28, of St. Charles said he attends Mass there "because it feels more like church here than at other Masses.

"Natalie Kummer, 31, a mother of four from Florissant, said she liked to experience the same Mass as Catholics a millennium ago. "It's more reverent," she said, "more beautiful."

St. Agatha Church, also in south St. Louis, hosted the archdiocese's old Latin Mass before it was moved to St. Francis de Sales in 2005. According to Lenhardt, about 300 people came to one traditional Latin Mass each Sunday at St. Agatha. At St. Francis, the number is close to 1,000 for two Masses each Sunday, he said.

On Sunday, about 500 people gathered in St. Francis, for a 10 a.m. Mass that lasted more than two hours. Before Mass, and for about 45 minutes after it began, the line for confessions was 10 deep at three different elaborately carved wooden confessionals inside the church. Most of the women and girls wore black or white lace head coverings. The army of priests, deacons, subdeacons and altar boys in the sanctuary, which is separated from the nave by an altar rail, wore an array of ornate vestments. Six members of the Knights of Columbus, dressed in full regalia and bearing swords, escorted the clergy to the altar before the Mass began.

The pace of the traditional Latin Mass can seem slow and drawn out to those used to the newer liturgy. Long periods go by while the congregation sits still, watching the rituals in the sanctuary, praying and listening to the chanting of the choir. But it is exactly this meditative quality of the Mass that attracts some Catholics.

Mostly, though, it is tradition — as important in Catholicism as Scripture — that draws so many people to the old Latin rite. With the traditional Latin Mass, "we merge into a stream that has its origins in Christ himself, and that goes until the end of time," said Lenhardt.

Before high Mass on Sunday, Kummer stopped her son Joseph outside the church to wipe a smudge of dirt from his forehead. She seemed excited but contemplative as they walked through St. Francis de Sales' large wooden doors into a two-hour ritual that would be the same this Sunday as it was for some of the earliest Christians.

"They used to say Mass was the most beautiful thing this side of heaven," said Kummer. "That's what it's like here."

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My comments: All in all, for a secular paper, a very nice story, and largely favorable. The article starts out with some doom and gloom about how the Church building needs restoration (it does, but is presently still gloriously beautiful). You think it will be the typical, "these people are stuck in the past" hatchet job. But it isn't.

The Mass is making a comeback, they note. True. Some of my favorite parts of the article--

A novus ordo Catholic is quoted as supporting giving the faithful the choice of this rite.

Fr. Lenhardt at de Sales is quoted well, noting that many of the people who choose the traditional Mass are young, "people who are seeking a connection with the ancient history of their faith."


Fr. Morris, of the local archdiocesan seminary, states that the traditional Mass "in some ways communicate[s] more clearly the historicity and mystery of what we are celebrating."

A member of the oratory is quoted saying "it feels more like Church here than at other Masses." Amen.


The reporter notes that close to 1,000 people go to Mass at St. Francis de Sales Oratory each Sunday,and that the several confession lines were jammed all day. You don't see that everywhere, do you?


How better to some up the experience than to quote Fr. Lenhardt about the traditional Mass: in it, "we merge into a stream that has its origins in Christ Himself, and that goes until the end of time."


Oh, as an aside, I don't know where the local paper gets the inside info on the next expected date of the motu proprio. We hope, but so far all predictions have left us disappointed.

If you can make the ordination Mass at the Cathedral tomorrow at 1pm, you won't be disappointed.


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To: Pyro7480
Yeah, even Pope Benedict XVI has worn mitres smaller than the one Archbishop Burke is wearing in the pic. That one is a more traditional design I guess

It was explained to me that the color of the hat (mitre) is significant but it is only recently that I noticed the difference in size as well and was wondering if it is also significant.

81 posted on 06/16/2007 9:52:42 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: vladimir998; kosta50
“According to the great Orthodox liturgical scholar and saint, Nicholas Cabasilas, the prayer in the Roman rite “Supplices te rogamus” (”Most humbly we implore Thee”) is an “ascending epiklesis.””

Bowing profoundly, with his hands joined and placed upon the altar, he [the priest] says:

Supplices te rogamus, omnipotens Deus: jube haec perferri per manus santi Angeli tui in sublime altare tuum, in conspectu divinae majestatis tuae: ut quotquot [he kisses the altar] ex hac altaris participatione sacrosanctum Filii tui [he joins his hands, and signs the Host and then the chalice with the Sign of the Cross] Cor+pus et San+guinem sumpserimus [he signs himself with the Sign of the Cross] omni benedictione caelesti et gratia repleamur. [He joins his hands.] Per Christum Dominum nostrum. Amen.

We must humbly beseech Thee, Almighty God, to command that these offerings be borne by the hands of Thy holy Angel to Thine altar on high in the sight of Thy Divine Majesty, that many of us as at this altar shall partake of the Body+ and Blood + of Thy Son, + may be filled with every heavenly blessing and grace. Through the same Christ our Lord. Amen.

82 posted on 06/16/2007 9:52:51 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: vladimir998
Oops! Nicholas Cabasilas was not a modern liturgist, but a 14th century Orthodox saint

I was going to say that I never heard of a living Orthodox saint, but then, technically speaking, they are all very much alive in heaven and fervently praying for the Church Militant! :)

83 posted on 06/16/2007 9:55:53 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: NYer
How unfortunate, such return in the direction of mysticism, obscurancy, and eclipsing of the relationship between God and each individual He died for, to directly relate with.
84 posted on 06/16/2007 9:57:09 PM PDT by unspun (What do you think? Please think, before you answer.)
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To: kosta50; vladimir998
The epiklesis is the supplication of the Holy Spirit to mystically change (i.e. transubstantiate in the western terminology) the bread and wine. My understanding is that the traditional Latin Mass does not call on the HS specifically, but that there are additional prayers that do.

There's this prayer during the Offertory of the Traditional Latin Mass.

Standing erect, he [the priest] extends, and then joins his hands, lifts his eyes up to heaven, and immediately lowers them, saying

Veni, Santificator omnipotens aeterne Deus, et bene+dic hoc sacrificium, tuo sancto nomini praeparatum.

Come O Sanctifier, almighty and eternal God, and bless + this sacrifice prepared for Thy holy Name.

85 posted on 06/16/2007 10:00:37 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: NYer

Question:

Would either you or one of the Catholics in this thread explain the significance of a Latin mass and why it’s considered important in the Catholic faith? Note: I’m not being critical or condescending, I’m just curious about this. Thanks.


86 posted on 06/16/2007 10:02:35 PM PDT by GOP_Raider (FReepmail me to join the FR Idaho Ping List.)
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To: Pyro7480; vladimir998
I think the objection of the Orthodox side was/is that the traditional Latin Mass does not invoke the Holy Spirit to change the Gifts.

I am not sure I understand the significance of the difference, except that it is the Holy Ghost, Who, in the Divine Economy of Our Salvation, is affecting the changes.

It is also my understanding that the TLM also contains additional prayers (from about the 13th century) that do call on the Holy Ghost.

87 posted on 06/16/2007 10:02:49 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

See my post #85.


88 posted on 06/16/2007 10:16:48 PM PDT by Pyro7480 ("Jesu, Jesu, Jesu, esto mihi Jesus" -St. Ralph Sherwin's last words at Tyburn)
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To: Pyro7480; vladimir998; kosta50
While Orthodox theologians have sought to identify the Supplices as the epiclesis it would seem to me that the prayer Quam oblationem would come closer to the mark:
Quam oblationem tu, Deus, in omnibus, quaesumus, benedictam, adscriptam, ratam, rationabilem, acceptabilemque facere digneris: ut nobis Corpus et Sanguis fiat dilectissimi Filii tui Domini nostri Jesu Christi.

And do Thou, O God, vouchsafe in all respects to bless, consecrate, and approve this our oblation, to perfect it and to render it well-pleasing to Thyself, so that it may become for us the Body and the Blood of Thy most beloved Son, Jesus Christ, our Lord.

Perhaps those Orthodox theologians who would prefer to identify the Supplices as the epiclesis do so because, like the Byzantine epiclesis, it comes after the Consecration.

It should be noted that this ambiguity does not exists in the new Eucharistic Prayers of the Novus Ordo Mass which have explicit invocations of the Holy Spirit.

89 posted on 06/16/2007 10:45:59 PM PDT by Petrosius
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To: GOP_Raider

You wrote: “Would either you or one of the Catholics in this thread explain the significance of a Latin mass and why it’s considered important in the Catholic faith?”

Significance? Well, I think most people would say the old Latin Mass is significant because it is like toughing the past (while still re-presenting Christ’s once and for all sacrifice!) through an ancient liturgy. My ancestors 500 years ago, 1000 years, etc. worshipped in much the same way, using much the same liturgy, in the same language.

Most people who think the old Latin Mass is important do so usually for several reasons: 1) it’s very beautiful, 2) it is theologically sound through and through, 3) it’s ancient and embodies so much tradition, 4) it was the Mass of the saints for so many generations, 5) it was a universal in the Roman Rite (50 years ago you could go to Tokyo or Rome or Mexico City or Kansas City and the Mass would be the same in a Roman Rite parish; now it is a little bit different wherever you go), 6) it is a wonderful, traditional and beautiful way to re-present Christ’s once and for all sacrifice from Golgotha to the Father.


90 posted on 06/17/2007 5:16:22 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: NYer

When the Latin Mass went out the door, together with the statues and they rolled in the guitars and said I had to shake hands with everyone around me, I walked out the door. It was no longer a quiet, respectful place to be on Sunday. It was a floor show with the Mass being the least of the show.


91 posted on 06/17/2007 5:23:11 AM PDT by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Petrosius

You wrote: “While Orthodox theologians have sought to identify the Supplices as the epiclesis it would seem to me that the prayer Quam oblationem would come closer to the mark.”

You’re not alone in that view:

“The Dominican Ambrose Catharinus (sixteenth century) thought that our Consecration takes place at an Epiklesis that precedes the recital of Christ’s words. This Epiklesis he thinks to be the prayer “Quam oblationem.” A few others (including Renaudot) more or less shared his opinion. Against these Hoppe (op. cit. infra) showed that in any case the Epiklesis always follows the words of Institution and that our “Quam Oblationem” cannot be considered one at all. He and others suggest a mitigated theory, according to which the Invocation (in our case the “Supplice te rogamus”) belongs not to the essence of the sacrament, but in some way to its (accidental) integrity. John of Torquemada at the Council of Florence (Hardouin IX, 976), Francisco Suárez (De Sacram., disp. lviii, 3), Bellarmine (De Euch., iv, 14), Lugo (De Euch., disp. xi, 1) explain that the Invocation of the Holy Ghost is made rather that He may sanctify our reception of the Holy Eucharist. This is a theoretical explanation sought out to account for the fact of the Epiklesis, without giving up our insistence on the words of Institution as alone consecrating. Historically and according to the text of the old invocations they must rather be looked upon as dramatically postponed expressions of what happens at one moment. There are many like cases in our rite (examples quoted in “The Orth. Eastern Church,” loc. cit.).”
http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05502a.htm

Anglicans:

“Now it is remembered that the clause Quam oblationem in the Roman Canon stands in the like place with the epiclesis in the liturgical papyrus; and this Roman form is claimed as a true epiclesis.” http://anglicanhistory.org/liturgy/legg_unexpected.html


92 posted on 06/17/2007 5:23:36 AM PDT by vladimir998 (Ignorance of Scripture is ignorance of Christ. St. Jerome)
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To: Petrosius
Perhaps those Orthodox theologians who would prefer to identify the Supplices as the epiclesis do so because, like the Byzantine epiclesis, it comes after the Consecration

I would say you are right about that. the new Eucharistic Prayers of the Novus Ordo Mass which have explicit invocations of the Holy Spirit

Yes, indeed. See mny post #80 (bottom). Which goes back to the canonical changes between the 5th and the 7th centuries in the Latin-Rite Mass, as discussed earlier. Apparently the post-Vatican II Mass is using an earlier liturgical form.

93 posted on 06/17/2007 5:45:34 AM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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